TM.30 - CW Immi BKK - Reporting 24hrs after returning to Thailand?

[Tanoshi]

20 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

So far, there doesn't appear to be any evidence that CW (which is what this thread is about) is doing this.  Unless anyone knows otherwise?

On another thread a member reported 'lines' at the TM30 desk, sent from other desks refusing extensions and 90 day reports until a TM30 was filed.

Reports of fines also.

[samtam]

9 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Thor Ror 14, yes.

Unmistakable, Blue book 7'' x 4''.

Well, I don't have the "book", but I do have a print out of the Tor.Ror.14 "Household Registration Certificate" for my property issued by the Registration Office of my district in 1992 when the property was first registered, and it is blank for my property, because it has only been owned by foreigners, (including myself) who have not registered their ownership, but relied on the chanote. I will include a copy with my TM.30 submission, along with the chanote.

[samtam]

12 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

On another thread a member reported 'lines' at the TM30 desk, sent from other desks refusing extensions and 90 day reports until a TM30 was filed.

Reports of fines also.

I think this may be avoided, if one either applies online, or does a mail-in...(I hope).

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Maestro said:

Some immigration officials issue a fine if the TM.30 notification was made later than 24 hours after arrival at the residence.

I always used to file the TM30 in person as the possessor.

However the '24 hour' rule can be inconvenient.

After returning from a trip abroad, jetlag, unpacking, washing, shopping were my priority.

I always submitted a few days later at my convenience, but entered the date the same as the date of submission.

Immigration have no idea what date you returned to your residence other than what you advise.

 

I was never questioned, but had I been, I would have said I stayed a few days in a guest house, the name of which eludes me. They appear satisfied that a TM30 was filed, even if a few days late.

 

I've now registered online, so much more convenient to now notify my return from the comfort of an armchair at home.

Edited June 17, 2019 by Tanoshi

[Tanoshi]

10 minutes ago, samtam said:

Well, I don't have the "book", but I do have a print out of the Tor.Ror.14 "Household Registration Certificate" for my property issued by the Registration Office of my district in 1992 when the property was first registered, and it is blank for my property, because it has only been owned by foreigners, (including myself) who have not registered their ownership, but relied on the chanote. I will include a copy with my TM.30 submission, along with the chanote.

A previous foreign owner was probably issued the book and that should have been passed to any new owners.

You should be able to obtain a new Blue book from the Amphoe.

You could then also register and apply for the Yellow book issued to foreigners where your name does appear + the Thai ID card for foreigners.

[Tanoshi]

27 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

On another thread a member reported 'lines' at the TM30 desk, sent from other desks refusing extensions and 90 day reports until a TM30 was filed.

Reports of fines also.

 

14 minutes ago, samtam said:

I think this may be avoided, if one either applies online, or does a mail-in...(I hope).

Those that were attending in person to apply for another service, extensions etc were being sent to the TM30 desk. If you can file a TM30 online or by post before the need to visit, then as CW have only just started enforcement of this requirement, then I believe you'll avoid any fines.

[madmen]

My last extension a few weeks back had a bit of a standoff re the TM 30. The officer pushed it towards me while she was multi tasking , on the phone and taking questions from junior staff. I said I didn't need to do it as I haven't moved from condo (owner) but she wasn't listening. After a while when she refocused I asked her to check her PC which she did, asked me if that was my address and then said no need.

[brewsterbudgen]

41 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

On another thread a member reported 'lines' at the TM30 desk, sent from other desks refusing extensions and 90 day reports until a TM30 was filed.

Reports of fines also.

Yes, but my comment was about the necessity to do a new TM30 every time you return to your residence, within 24 hours.  Some offices enforce this.  But hopefully not CW, who seems to just require one report.

[Tanoshi]

6 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes, but my comment was about the necessity to do a new TM30 every time you return to your residence, within 24 hours.  Some offices enforce this.  But hopefully not CW, who seems to just require one report.

Understood.

Once a TM30 is filed, unless you change permanent address, or leave and re-enter the Country, then a further TM30 shouldn't be required.

[sniggie]

2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Understood.

Once a TM30 is filed, unless you change permanent address, or leave and re-enter the Country, then a further TM30 shouldn't be required.

 

2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Understood.

Once a TM30 is filed, unless you change permanent address, or leave and re-enter the Country, then a further TM30 shouldn't be required.

Now wouldn't that be sensible? Maybe all offices could adopt such a practice.  

[madmen]

6 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Understood.

Once a TM30 is filed, unless you change permanent address, or leave and re-enter the Country, then a further TM30 shouldn't be required.

No not only permanent but also temporary. I happened to be in Pattaya where I lodged a 90 day report. I Then did my next 90 day report in person at BKK where I live and had to file a new TM30

[ThomasThBKK]

5 minutes ago, madmen said:

No not only permanent but also temporary. I happened to be in Pattaya where I lodged a 90 day report. I Then did my next 90 day report in person at BKK where I live and had to file a new TM30

Yes and for address changes there's the TM28 anyway - nothing todo with Tm30.

 

Bet the tm28 rubbish will be the next to be introduced and it's full liability for the tenant to do tm28s.

[Tanoshi]

1 minute ago, madmen said:

No not only permanent but also temporary. I happened to be in Pattaya where I lodged a 90 day report. I Then did my next 90 day report in person at BKK where I live and had to file a new TM30

You have two addresses.

You have to file a 90 day report at the IO within the Province of where your address is registered.

You cannot file at another IO in a different Province with formally notifying a change of address. (a new TM30)

If you do your next 90 day in Pattaya, you'll have to file another TM30.

 

Just file the 90 day in the with the office in the Province which is your main residence to avoid complications.

[Tanoshi]

1 minute ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Yes and for address changes there's the TM28 anyway - nothing todo with Tm30.

 

Bet the tm28 rubbish will be the next to be introduced and it's full liability for the tenant to do tm28s.

The TM28 is solely for the foreign to notify.

The TM30 is for the House master, owner or possessor to complete.

 

Theoretically the TM28 and TM30 are best filed together.

The TM30 is kept on record and the TM28's are discarded now.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 6/15/2019 at 11:23 AM, spambot said:

Thanks, ezzra - I guess this has got to be within 24 hrs?

Do you have any idea if the rental agreement alone is an option for providing the housemaster, house registration and ID card?

 

I haven't done TM30 in person at CW, but I did do a postal mailed report to CW a few months back that was accepted and return receipt mailed back via the SASE I included with my mailing sent by EMS for tracking.

 

As a renter, they accepted just my various passport-related photocopies, the completed TM30 form and a copy of my rental contract.... I did NOT submit either the house book pages or Thai ID for my landlord.

 

But again, that was by mail to BKK CW.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

 

I'd be interested in feedback on mailed in 90 day reports, and if yours is accepted and they send back a receipt as normal. So far I've yet to hear news of any submitted by post being rejected. 

 

If you mean by people who have not filed TM30s....

 

I have heard of extension applications being turned away until the TM30 part is resolved -- filing done and any fine paid.

 

I haven't heard of 90 day reports, at least the mailed in or online variety, being turned away over TM30 non compliance.  I believe I have heard of in-person 90-day reports being turned away.

 

 

Edited June 17, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, Tanoshi said:

On another thread a member reported 'lines' at the TM30 desk, sent from other desks refusing extensions and 90 day reports until a TM30 was filed.

Reports of fines also.

 

I think the question, though, was whether CW has been handing out fines to people who HAVE filed their TM30, but just not within the 24 hour period after arrival into the country.

 

My first/most recent mailed-in TM30 to BKK CW was mailed in more than 24 hours after my most recent arrival into Thailand (mainly because the requirement wasn't even really known back then). And I received my TM30 reporting slip back in the mail nonetheless...

 

Now, I haven't had to go to transact any business at CW since then...  So whether there's a fine waiting for me the next time I have to go there, I don't know... But I do have my TM30 official reporting receipt. So I'm guessing NOT....

 

I would imagine most of those queuing up at the TM30 desk at CW and being fined are being sent there because they have NOT filed any TM30 at all   ....    and not because they were beyond the 24 hour window in having done their reporting.

[madmen]

20 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I think the question, though, was whether CW has been handing out fines to people who HAVE filed their TM30, but just not within the 24 hour period after arrival into the country.

 

My first/most recent mailed-in TM30 to BKK CW was mailed in more than 24 hours after my most recent arrival into Thailand (mainly because the requirement wasn't even really known back then). And I received my TM30 reporting slip back in the mail nonetheless...

 

Now, I haven't had to go to transact any business at CW since then...  So whether there's a fine waiting for me the next time I have to go there, I don't know... But I do have my TM30 official reporting receipt. So I'm guessing NOT....

 

I would imagine most of those queuing up at the TM30 desk at CW and being fined are being sent there because they have NOT filed any TM30 at all   ....    and not because they were beyond the 24 hour window in having done their reporting.

You are right. I have filed many TM30 for tenants via airbnb and always late sometimes by a few weeks via the post and never got fined

[Alex2554]

7 hours ago, Bowwow said:

Do you need to file a tm30 if you are on a tourist visa or visa exempt entry? 

Immigration Act B.E.2522

Section 37

3.Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within twenty–four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of change in residence in which new residence is not located the same area with the former police stations, such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within twenty-four hours from the time of arrival.

4.If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty-four hours, such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty-eight hours from the time of arrival.

 

The provision of (3) and (4) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General.

 

Section 34
...
1.Diplomatic or Consular Missions
2.Performance of official duties
3.Touring
4.Sporting
5.Business
6.Investing under the concurrence of the Ministries and Departments concerned.
7.Investing or other activities relating to investing subject to the provisions of the law on investment promotion.
8.Transit journey.
9.Being the person in charge of the crew of a conveyance coming to port, station, or area in the Kingdom.
10.Study or observation.
11.Mass media.
12.Missionary work under the concurrence of the Ministries and departments concerned.
13.Scientific research or training or teach in a Research Institute in the Kingdom.
14.The practice of skilled handicraft or as a specialist
Other activities as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.

[ubonjoe]

17 minutes ago, Alex2554 said:

Immigration Act B.E.2522

Section 37

Wrong section of immigration act. The TM30 reporting is under section 38 of the act.

[Alex2554]

 

Section 38

"The housemaster, the owner or the possessor of the residence, or the hotel manager where the alien, receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed,..."

Is a tourist visa holder one of the persons listed above?

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, Alex2554 said:

Is a tourist visa holder one of the persons listed above?

Yes they can be the possessor as the tenant of a residence. 

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, Alex2554 said:

 

Section 38

"The housemaster, the owner or the possessor of the residence, or the hotel manager where the alien, receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed,..."

Is a tourist visa holder one of the persons listed above?

Keep in mind you would only need to be concerned with tm30 (IMO) is if you had business at immigration. Such as applying for extension to your tourist visa, visa exempt etc. 

[samtam]

22 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

I always used to file the TM30 in person as the possessor.

However the '24 hour' rule can be inconvenient.

After returning from a trip abroad, jetlag, unpacking, washing, shopping were my priority.

I always submitted a few days later at my convenience, but entered the date the same as the date of submission.

Immigration have no idea what date you returned to your residence other than what you advise.

 

I was never questioned, but had I been, I would have said I stayed a few days in a guest house, the name of which eludes me. They appear satisfied that a TM30 was filed, even if a few days late.

 

I've now registered online, so much more convenient to now notify my return from the comfort of an armchair at home.

Was the switch over from mail-ins to registering online problematic. I've filed the first TM.30 by mail, but I want to do future ones online, for the reasons you outline. Did you use the app, by phone?

 

 

22 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

A previous foreign owner was probably issued the book and that should have been passed to any new owners.

You should be able to obtain a new Blue book from the Amphoe.

You could then also register and apply for the Yellow book issued to foreigners where your name does appear + the Thai ID card for foreigners.

I will arrange for a new blue book, but according to my building management office, they need the original sales agreement, (when I bought the condo), which is with my lawyer, and I only have a copy.

[Tanoshi]

30 minutes ago, samtam said:

Was the switch over from mail-ins to registering online problematic. I've filed the first TM.30 by mail, but I want to do future ones online, for the reasons you outline. Did you use the app, by phone?

I had no problems registering online, my name, all in English, using copy of Passport, Tabien Baan and Thai ID card. I registered from my PC, W10, Edge browser.

Received immediate e-mail confirmation, then login user ID and password 5 days later.

 

To actually file, you'll need assistance from a Thai. (language).

 

38 minutes ago, samtam said:

I will arrange for a new blue book, but according to my building management office, they need the original sales agreement, (when I bought the condo), which is with my lawyer, and I only have a copy.

I don't see the relevance of what it has to do with the building management.

The book is obtained from the Amphoe, you should enquire there.

Your lawyer should have requested the Blue book from the sellers lawyer, to pass to you.

[samtam]

13 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

I don't see the relevance of what it has to do with the building management.

The book is obtained from the Amphoe, you should enquire there.

Your lawyer should have requested the Blue book from the sellers lawyer, to pass to you.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was using my building management office staff to call the khet, and find out the requirements.

[Tanoshi]

1 minute ago, samtam said:

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was using my building management office staff to call the khet, and find out the requirements.

Must be annoying because your lawyer should have taken care of this if he was efficient and doing his job as you paid him to do. 

[captpkapoor]

On 6/15/2019 at 11:21 AM, ThomasThBKK said:

50 year old laws -.-

 

But yes agree with everything.

Op it's easiest to do it via postal service, this should get accepted:

 

1) Passport copy, visa page and entry stamp copy

2) rental contract copy

3) optional housebook/id card copies from owner

4) tm6 copy

send to tm30 division and include a return envelope for the receipt, would send via trackable postal service to have proof tho

What is the postal address to do for Bangkok, i.e. Chaeng Wattana, please?

 

[captpkapoor]

On 6/17/2019 at 1:48 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I haven't done TM30 in person at CW, but I did do a postal mailed report to CW a few months back that was accepted and return receipt mailed back via the SASE I included with my mailing sent by EMS for tracking.

 

As a renter, they accepted just my various passport-related photocopies, the completed TM30 form and a copy of my rental contract.... I did NOT submit either the house book pages or Thai ID for my landlord.

 

But again, that was by mail to BKK CW.

 

What is the postal address you sent your TM30 form to, for Bkk CW? Thanks.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, captpkapoor said:

What is the postal address you sent your TM30 form to, for Bkk CW? Thanks.

 

Same as for 90 Day Reports by mail to CW Immigration, just substitute the first line saying TM30 Report instead of 90 Day Report Section: