Taking aim at Johnson, British PM hopefuls make Brexit case

[puck2]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

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  The only way out of this mess is for a General Election with parties making their Brexit policy clear.

Yes, and that's the problem for the Tories and the Labor Party.

 

Ideas??? Plans??? - Nothing/zero; lame ducks.

Only the normal general political BlaBla. That's the agenda of both parties. Miserable.

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4 hours ago, jesimps said:

I think the only thing you'll hear from Brexiteers on here is the desire for parliament to do the democratic thing and carry out the wishes of the people ie the ones who won the referendum. You see, that's why democracy was installed in most countries in the world in the first place. You'll never get all the people to agree all the time, therefore a system called democracy was instituted, where everyone had a vote and whoever got the most votes was the winner. Of course, for this system to work, the losers must accept that they lost, which has been the case until recent times. Now, here and in the US, the remainers and the left no longer seem to want to accept this. This is a very dangerous situation because democracy only works providing the losing sides are willing to concede defeat. When they don't, like at present, it could lead to a complete breakdown of democracy. One thing I think is certain, if Brexit doesn't happen, I for one and I'm sure many others will lose complete faith in the British system of voting. A system, which until recently, has been a template for the rest of the world.

is that the same system where a winning party can can get 35% of all votes counted and beat a party that gets 40% or more.a think the template is broke pal

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3 hours ago, evadgib said:

Sky's press preview pointed out this morning that Raab took some flack in the absence of the only other Brexit candidate and let's not forget just how biased last nights hosts (Ch4 news) have been since the referendum.

surely even more reason for Boris to show up then.  says something when the his tutors dont want him to even open his gob in fear of him making a balls of it.

[Bluespunk]

51 minutes ago, evadgib said:

A flag of convenience that frankly isn't working...

You've just described the entire tory party.

[Older and Wiser]

6 hours ago, sotsira said:

If Boris becomes PM I think he will end up becoming the shortest

reigning PM in history with the way he conducts himself, it's just

a matter of time. 

I don't know, I think it will make things well balanced with a blond buffoon on both sides of the pond.

[bomber]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

I think it would be fair to say that anyone with a leftist persuasion would say that Channel 4 and the BBC are not biased, when they are embarrassingly biased.

if boris had turned up it would of been 3 from each side,

[Older and Wiser]

5 hours ago, jesimps said:

I think the only thing you'll hear from Brexiteers on here is the desire for parliament to do the democratic thing and carry out the wishes of the people ie the ones who won the referendum. You see, that's why democracy was installed in most countries in the world in the first place. You'll never get all the people to agree all the time, therefore a system called democracy was instituted, where everyone had a vote and whoever got the most votes was the winner. Of course, for this system to work, the losers must accept that they lost, which has been the case until recent times. Now, here and in the US, the remainers and the left no longer seem to want to accept this. This is a very dangerous situation because democracy only works providing the losing sides are willing to concede defeat. When they don't, like at present, it could lead to a complete breakdown of democracy. One thing I think is certain, if Brexit doesn't happen, I for one and I'm sure many others will lose complete faith in the British system of voting. A system, which until recently, has been a template for the rest of the world.

And if 70% would now prefer to remain is it democracy to follow through with the vote from the referendum no matter what?

[shy coconut]

6 hours ago, sotsira said:

If Boris becomes PM I think he will end up becoming the shortest

reigning PM in history with the way he conducts himself, it's just

a matter of time. 

Sadly they said the same about trump, but he seems to be prospering despite everything.

[shy coconut]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

I think it would be fair to say that anyone with a leftist persuasion would say that Channel 4 and the BBC are not biased, when they are embarrassingly biased.

Have you seen the way the BBC go after Corbyn? They are absolutely determined to get after

him at every opportunity, which is quite odd for a leftist institution. I'm pretty sure they would

prefer 10 years of Boris to 10 minutes of Corbyn

 

I would say the beeb were fairly liberal and centrist. Only a far right thinking person

would confuse liberalism with leftism.

[billd766]

51 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

In the context of choosing a new PM, the only people to get a choice are the Tory MP's and then when down to 2 candidates the Tory party membership - seen this quoted as 124k and 160k members.

 

It seems to be the Brexiter element in this small group of people who are keen on Boris. Says a lot about their judgment!

 

 

Not really. It says more about your judgement of other people.

 

Would you say that no remainers are interested in Boris Johnson as the new PM?

[shy coconut]

3 hours ago, malagateddy said:

 

 

T May is a quisling..a sociopath imo.
" quite a few " etc...imo there will be a lot more than that..also the Brexit Party's coffers will swell as former tory financial backers will throw their money instead at the Brexit Party.
Very interesting times ahead.

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Why would they bother investing in the brexit party if Johnson wins the leadership

campaign? He has already stated that brexit will happen in October.

[Nigel Garvie]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Not really. It says more about your judgement of other people.

 

Would you say that no remainers are interested in Boris Johnson as the new PM?

Yes, unless the've gone senile.

 

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, shy coconut said:

Have you seen the way the BBC go after Corbyn? They are absolutely determined to get after

him at every opportunity, which is quite odd for a leftist institution. I'm pretty sure they would

prefer 10 years of Boris to 10 minutes of Corbyn

 

I would say the beeb were fairly liberal and centrist. Only a far right thinking person

would confuse liberalism with leftism.

Would you say that week after week of 'Question Time and Politics Today" we have mostly, if not all remainers on the panel, out of 5 panellists we are lucky to have 1 leaver on the show. It is no secret that the BBC are run by young left wing liberals. They are not neutral.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

This is what boris's former employer thinks of him

 

Hastings wasn't immune from criticism over his coverage of the Falklands though was he?

('Perspective' an' all that!)

[Nigel Garvie]

9 minutes ago, shy coconut said:

Have you seen the way the BBC go after Corbyn? They are absolutely determined to get after

him at every opportunity, which is quite odd for a leftist institution. I'm pretty sure they would

prefer 10 years of Boris to 10 minutes of Corbyn

 

I would say the beeb were fairly liberal and centrist. Only a far right thinking person

would confuse liberalism with leftism.

I agree. I think that leaping to a conclusion that media of all sorts (Even including even far left or far right websites) are biased if we don't agree with them is unwise, the answer is always to look at the facts. The fact that sticks in my mind is that Farage has been on QT 33 times! 

[Rimmer]

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[dick dasterdly]

16 minutes ago, shy coconut said:

Have you seen the way the BBC go after Corbyn? They are absolutely determined to get after

him at every opportunity, which is quite odd for a leftist institution. I'm pretty sure they would

prefer 10 years of Boris to 10 minutes of Corbyn

 

I would say the beeb were fairly liberal and centrist. Only a far right thinking person

would confuse liberalism with leftism.

 

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Would you say that week after week of 'Question Time and Politics Today" we have mostly, if not all remainers on the panel, out of 5 panellists we are lucky to have 1 leaver on the show. It is no secret that the BBC are run by young left wing liberals. They are not neutral.

Both of the above posts make a few good points (whilst being wrong in other points) IMO.

 

At the end of the day the bbc is RUN by wealthy, establishment people who are liberal at heart - whilst having no desire (understandably) to see their wealth reduced.....

[evadgib]

57 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You've just described the entire tory party.

In the fullness of time the Brexit party will finish this job before adopting a new name and morphing into a suitable replacement for the Tories in a post-brexit universe.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, evadgib said:

In the fullness of time the Brexit party will finish this job before adopting a new name and morphing into a suitable replacement for the Tories in a post-brexit universe.

They’ll need to come up with some policies first.

 

Let’s kick that off by asking Farage about how he sees the future of the NHS and the provision of healthcare in the UK.

[malagateddy]

So who are you going to get to represent you?
 
 

My choice is Dom Rabb

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[vogie]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They’ll need to come up with some policies first.

 

Let’s kick that off by asking Farage about how he sees the future of the NHS and the provision of healthcare in the UK.

Why do people keep bringing the National Health into arguments, it is totally dysfunctional, throwing money down the NHS bottomless pit will solve nothing, it wants pulling down and rebuilding. It is not fit for purpose, the amount of money the tax payer spends on it, they certainly deserve better.

All the NHS is a political pawn to win general elections, if somebody can make it more efficient, do you really have a problem with efficiency?

 

[Bluespunk]

21 minutes ago, evadgib said:

In the fullness of time the Brexit party will finish this job before adopting a new name and morphing into a suitable replacement for the Tories in a post-brexit universe.

Ah the dreams we dream in the innocence of youth...

[malagateddy]

Why would they bother investing in the brexit party if Johnson wins the leadership
campaign? He has already stated that brexit will happen in October.

Yip..he said that..BUT what kind of Brexit..a vassel style model..ie..a rehash of t mays rubbish??...or the real thing.
The proof is in the pudding.
Lets see if..
1. Boris becomes pm
2. What kind of Brexit he comes up with.

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[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why do people keep bringing the National Health into arguments, it is totally dysfunctional, throwing money down the NHS bottomless pit will solve nothing, it wants pulling down and rebuilding. It is not fit for purpose, the amount of money the tax payer spends on it, they certainly deserve better.

All the NHS is a political pawn to win general elections, if somebody can make it more efficient, do you really have a problem with efficiency?

 

It was Brexiteers who brought the NHS into the crock of Brexit.

 

The Leave campaigners knew them and know now that the future of the NHS is one the most important political issues in UK politics.

 

Farage’s views on the matter are political toxic, which is why I’d like to see him forced to discus them.

[brewsterbudgen]

Once again, it is difficult to argue what a habitual liar like Johnson stands for, other that is than what ever is best for Johnson.
 
I regard him the single most likely candidate to do a complete about face on whatever Brexit position he claims to have taken.

I hope so too. As a man without principles he will hopefully end up revoking and remaining.

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[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

 

 

Yip..he said that..BUT what kind of Brexit..a vassel style model..ie..a rehash of t mays rubbish??...or the real thing.
The proof is in the pudding.
Lets see if..
1. Boris becomes pm
2. What kind of Brexit he comes up with.

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Or if he comes up with any kind of Brexit.

 

One can never know with Boris the liar and U-turn specialist.

 

 

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It was Brexiteers who brought the NHS into the crock of Brexit.

 

The Leave campaigners knew them and know now that the future of the NHS is one the most important political issues in UK politics.

 

Farage’s views on the matter are political toxic, which is why I’d like to see him forced to discus them.

And like anybody else that discusses anything, you are reliant on that person being truthfull, and seeing how much you abhor Nigel Farage my guess is that you wouldn't believe him, whatever he said.

[Rimmer]

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[welovesundaysatspace]

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I hope so too. As a man without principles he will hopefully end up revoking and remaining.

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He will face the same issue as May and all the other candidates: The same options on the table, while no majority in parliament for any of them. He could try the no-deal thing, but that would likely lead to a general election. That he doesn’t want because what he wants first and foremost is to be PM (and not just for half year).

 

If he’s not completely stupid, he says: “Look, there is no majority for anything. Everyone is fed up with it. I personally don’t care what the decision will be; I want to get it done and let the country move on. Thus, I give it to you the people to decide // I stop the whole thing here. Then I will move on to more important issues.”

 

That would be a strong move, and it would make him a respected PM while probably saving his party.