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scubascuba3

Non-Imm O Retirement from Jomtien

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I'm toying with going down to Jomtien to see if I can get any useful info out of them..

 

What i want to know is:

 

1) Can i use 3-6 monthly 65k transfers from abroad?

 

2) Can i use 3-6 monthly 40k transfers plus 400k in bank for Combination method?

 

3) Do they usually ask for proof of pension? or can i just provide other income proof such as foreign bank balances, investments, foreign rental income agreement?

 

4) the above can be used for the year retirement extension after the initial 90 days?

 

Anyone have the answers, specifically for Jomtien?

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1. If it is your first extension application the answer is yes. 

2. If you showed transfers of 40k baht per month they would assume that is what your normal monthly transfers will be for 12 months to reach a annual income number to combine with the money in the bank to reach total of 800k baht. Using your example you would have a total of 880k baht.

3. They may ask for proof of the source of your income. There is no rule that states it has to be a pension.

4. Yes

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1. If it is your first extension application the answer is yes. 
2. If you showed transfers of 40k baht per month they would assume that is what your normal monthly transfers will be for 12 months to reach a annual income number to combine with the money in the bank to reach total of 800k baht. Using your example you would have a total of 880k baht.
3. They may ask for proof of the source of your income. There is no rule that states it has to be a pension.
4. Yes
With 2) just to clarify, as its part year let's say 6 months of transfers. The balance required, would it need to be 800k-(6x40k)= 560k+? or is it less as it's only 6 months?

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35 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:
1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:
1. If it is your first extension application the answer is yes. 
2. If you showed transfers of 40k baht per month they would assume that is what your normal monthly transfers will be for 12 months to reach a annual income number to combine with the money in the bank to reach total of 800k baht. Using your example you would have a total of 880k baht.
3. They may ask for proof of the source of your income. There is no rule that states it has to be a pension.
4. Yes

With 2) just to clarify, as its part year let's say 6 months of transfers. The balance required, would it need to be 800k-(6x40k)= 560k+? or is it less as it's only 6 months?

They would use the average of the transfers you have done to a get monthly amount and multiply that by 12 to get a annual income. Unless you transfer the money in baht it will vary a small amount every month. For example 41k baht then 40.5k and etc for all your transfers.

 

If you transferred exactly 40k baht every month they multiply that by 12 to get a total of 480k baht.

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They would use the average of the transfers you have done to a get monthly amount and multiply that by 12 to get a annual income. Unless you transfer the money in baht it will vary a small amount every month. For example 41k baht then 40.5k and etc for all your transfers.
 
If you transferred exactly 40k baht every month they multiply that by 12 to get a total of 480k baht.
Are you certain Jomtien is honoring partial year combo deposits where the actual amount transferred falls under the 800k including the banked money? Or are you saying what you think they should do? Because personally I'm skeptical that they will accept such under 12 month combo applications if the literal sum transfered plus banked money falls under 800k.

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6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Are you certain Jomtien is honoring partial year combo deposits where the actual amount transferred falls under the 800k including the banked money? Or are you saying what you think they should do? Because personally I'm skeptical that they will accept such under 12 month combo applications if the literal sum transfered plus banked money falls under 800k.

They have accepted applications using the combination option.

What I wrote fits the requirement for the first extension since it states only only one transfer is needed to meet the income requirement according to the police order. One transfer proves the income a person has coming into the country.

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The Official who signs extensions at Jomtien Immigration said the following about retirement extensions:

 

Regarding retirement extensions, Khun Pichai said that first time applicants must be able to show at least two months of income coming from overseas or traceable to a taxable source in Thailand. 
  
For renewal of retirement extensions, the applicant must be able to show 12 months income from abroad or from  a taxable source in Thailand. The applicant must also be able to show the income transferred into a Thai bank around the same time each month. 

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1092651-explainer-here’s-what-is-required-by-chonburi-immigration-for-tm30-and-retirement-extensions/

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42 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

They have accepted applications using the combination option.

What I wrote fits the requirement for the first extension since it states only only one transfer is needed to meet the income requirement according to the police order. One transfer proves the income a person has coming into the country.

OK.

So the answer to my question seems to be that you don't actually KNOW that Jomtien will accept such combo applications as I described. 

 

Which is --

 

Combo application

Under 12 months transfers (non- embassy letter people)

The TOTAL of the transfers that are shown plus the bank balance being under 800K

 

I agree they SHOULD accept such applications if the deposits are projected over 12 months.

I'm just saying I'm not sure they actually will be accepted at Jomtien and applicants should be aware of this possible uncertainty.

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10 hours ago, SEtonal said:

The Official who signs extensions at Jomtien Immigration said the following about retirement extensions:

That was from late March when it was early days of the new rules for extensions based upon retirement.

Things have probably changed now.

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10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So the answer to my question seems to be that you don't actually KNOW that Jomtien will accept... 

I suppose one can tell that:

 

nobody knows for sure what can happens in any Immigration Office. 

 

One can only assume that if many people report the same experience at the same office, it can, eventually, be condider as an (temporary) applied rule there. 

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

1. If it is your first extension application the answer is yes. 

Does "first extension application" mean FIRST EVER application? Or if somebody who's been staying on previous retirement extensions left Thailand (near the end of currently authorized stay) and re-entered on a new non-imm O, and then went to Immigration for an extension of that new stay, it would be considered a "first extension"??

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16 minutes ago, Carolina Reaper said:

Does "first extension application" mean FIRST EVER application? Or if somebody who's been staying on previous retirement extensions left Thailand (near the end of currently authorized stay) and re-entered on a new non-imm O, and then went to Immigration for an extension of that new stay, it would be considered a "first extension"??

First extension is one for a 90 day non-o visa entry or a OA visa 1 year entry. It does not matter if it is one done after being on extensions before.

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They would use the average of the transfers you have done to a get monthly amount and multiply that by 12 to get a annual income. Unless you transfer the money in baht it will vary a small amount every month. For example 41k baht then 40.5k and etc for all your transfers.
 
If you transferred exactly 40k baht every month they multiply that by 12 to get a total of 480k baht.
Follow up question...if i decide to transfer 3 months of 65k then get the Non O retirement, continue the 65ks then get the year extension before the 90 days....when could i switch to combo method? straight after getting the yearly extension? then reduce transfers and have the 400k in the bank the following year when i apply?

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9 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:
15 hours ago, ubonjoe said:
They would use the average of the transfers you have done to a get monthly amount and multiply that by 12 to get a annual income. Unless you transfer the money in baht it will vary a small amount every month. For example 41k baht then 40.5k and etc for all your transfers.
 
If you transferred exactly 40k baht every month they multiply that by 12 to get a total of 480k baht.

Follow up question...if i decide to transfer 3 months of 65k then get the Non O retirement, continue the 65ks then get the year extension before the 90 days....when could i switch to combo method? straight after getting the yearly extension? then reduce transfers and have the 400k in the bank the following year when i apply?

You could do that but immigration might be a suspicious about what you did when you apply for the next extension using the combination option. They might ask why your monthly income went down.

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I just had a jaw dropping experience at Jomtien, although i tried not to drop my jaw. I wanted to ask those questions in the Op.I was given a ticket for desk 7 which is change visa desk. I'll summarise the points:
- I can't use income method 65k a month to change to Non Imm O.
- I'd need 800k in the bank to convert
- when I asked she said i could go to Laos and get the Non Imm O
- Unclear whether I could use the monthly 65k to then apply for the year retirement extension as not 12 months. Not her desk i think, desk 8.
- She said no to Combination method, seemed to not understand it at all although i explained it twice.
- She offered to fix the problem by her arranging the Non imm O and year retirement extension for 20,000 baht. So same as agent but a 1,000 baht cheaper.

So even if i went to Savannakhet to get the Non Imm O it's still not clear if i could then get a year retirement extension, she was talking about 12 months of 65k, but she seemed unsure on that.

It wasn't easy to ask questions as she was typically hostile but softened up towards the end when she thought she'd sold the 20,000 baht fix


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