atyclb Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, BobBKK said: Bit hard on a young kid who made a mistake and apologises. Let he who has not sinned... cast the first stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 The way I look at it is IF Harvard had the damaging information at the time of application, would he still have been accepted. My presumption is NO! Also we don't know whether his actual acceptance was borderline or not to begin with. I'm not suggesting Harvard admissions is perfect or corruption free, either now, or historically. But sorry they have a right to dump this guy. He's a big boy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Oh now you want to go from 'You never said anything stupid at 16, Mr Perfect' to again try and insert more whataboutary. Back to topic. Racist gets to suffer the consequences for his own words. should harvard rescind ny times reporter Sarah Jeongs law degree for tweeting anti white racist comments? or should she suffer the consequences and lose her job ?? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45052534 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I think this is an unjustified reason for rescinding his acceptance. I am very much against the use of things that young people may say against them. I avoided commenting negatively on the kids who confronted (or were confronted) in Washington with the MAGA hats. They are kids and kids do crazy things. I am against a lot of the efforts to move cases out of juvenile courts and into adult courts as well. Regardless of whether I agree or not, they are still children, neither their brains nor their outlook on life is fully developed. The goal of schools is to educate our youth. In regard to that, I will have to give Harvard a big F on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user68677878 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 12 hours ago, porphyry said: Aren't we all branded by our skin colour- is that really racism or society just thin skinned ??? I could not imagine just how the world would survive under a single unified entity as proposed by the symbolic racism believers. Fact - most cultures are of a racist bent and believe they are better than another. Ignorance obviously prevails by the negative feedback given of the reality of the facts- show me a yank/Chinese/Cambodian/a pom/frog or Aussie etc who isn't proud no matter the wrongs of that particular culture. You wont!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, porphyry said: Ignorance obviously prevails by the negative feedback given of the reality of the facts- show me a yank/Chinese/Cambodian/a pom/frog or Aussie etc who isn't proud no matter the wrongs of that particular culture. You wont!!!!!!! You are mixing up race with nationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 6/18/2019 at 10:19 AM, atyclb said: in the meanwhile the kid named david hogg that spoke out against guns, the same kid that was rejected by ucla and suppose lesser institutions was accepted at harvard. did harvard lower their academic standards because they liked the political agenda of the less academically qualified student? in addition david hogg comes from a solid middle class background (dad former fbi, mom teacher) and had all the benefits of such, some would say "white privilege" yet harvard seems to have accepted him because his political agenda coincides with theirs. david hogg took a seat away from likely better academically qualified applicants and or an affirmative action student for which a harvard degree could be a life altering event., ie; next ben carson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 6/18/2019 at 10:54 AM, webfact said: Kashuv, who distinguished himself from other Parkland students as a gun rights advocate after the school shooting, said on Twitter that he requested to meet with the admissions committee to discuss the matter in person, but Harvard denied his request. Of course they did. Far better to just close their ears and pretend that he doesn't exist, than actually speak to him like another human being. Gun rights advocate- the horror, the horror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 18 hours ago, atyclb said: should harvard rescind ny times reporter Sarah Jeongs law degree for tweeting anti white racist comments? or should she suffer the consequences and lose her job ?? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45052534 IMO, the race comments were the excuse, not the reason. IMO, they banned him for being a gun rights advocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: 18 hours ago, atyclb said: should harvard rescind ny times reporter Sarah Jeongs law degree for tweeting anti white racist comments? or should she suffer the consequences and lose her job ?? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45052534 IMO, the race comments were the excuse, not the reason. IMO, they banned him for being a gun rights advocate. maybe. interesting how the ny times reporter / harvard law grad made her racist tweets as a mature woman and harvard law grad no less and not as a pre-university teenager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 28 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: IMO, the race comments were the excuse, not the reason. IMO, they banned him for being a gun rights advocate. And your evidence for this is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 22 hours ago, BobBKK said: Racist 16 year old gets to suffer the consequences for his own words - with no chance for redemption He can go study elsewhere, millions of others do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: And your evidence for this is? Deflecting much? When I include "IMO" which I'm sure you know stands for IN MY OPINION, I don't have to give evidence, as an opinion is just than and not a statement of fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I hadn't realized before that he had said -- Kill all the Jews. 16 isn't that young. How is there any excuse for that? Sure he can say stuff like that, free speech, but that doesn't mean he deserves to get within 100 miles of the country's most elite school. I hope he isn't admitted to community college. Good on Harvard for filtering out this white nationalist extremist before he entered their school. They have an established policy, nothing new to him, of rescinding admissions based on RACISM. Sorry, Charly, thems the rules. People defending him -- why are you defending him? Quote Harvard did the right thing by revoking Kyle Kashuv’s admission https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/18/sure-kyle-kashuv-deserves-some-sympathy-consequences-make-sense/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Tomorrow's news today: active shooter reported on Harvard campus, believed to be a survivor of the Parkland massacre that the university rejected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, bendejo said: Tomorrow's news today: active shooter reported on Harvard campus, believed to be a survivor of the Parkland massacre that the university rejected Well not selling guns to people that have posted "Kill all the Jews" would be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 20 hours ago, atyclb said: should harvard rescind ny times reporter Sarah Jeongs law degree for tweeting anti white racist comments? or should she suffer the consequences and lose her job ?? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45052534 If it was an honory degree then they would be perfectly within their rights to do so. However, since she earned the degree then it’s not a question of “should” as they simply can’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 36 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said: 21 hours ago, atyclb said: should harvard rescind ny times reporter Sarah Jeongs law degree for tweeting anti white racist comments? or should she suffer the consequences and lose her job ?? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45052534 If it was an honory degree then they would be perfectly within their rights to do so. However, since she earned the degree then it’s not a question of “should” as they simply can’t. so you dont think she should face some consequences with her current employer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: 2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: And your evidence for this is? Deflecting much? When I include "IMO" which I'm sure you know stands for IN MY OPINION, I don't have to give evidence, as an opinion is just than and not a statement of fact. dare you make a viable argument with the tvf leading academic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, atyclb said: so you dont think she should face some consequences with her current employer? Is that related to Harvard revoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 40 minutes ago, atyclb said: so you dont think she should face some consequences with her current employer? From the BBC article you posted it looks like she has already faced some consequences from her actions but if you are asking whether she should be sacked then the answer is no. It wasn't that bad and wasn't the same as using the 'N' word and “Kill all the f---ing Jews' like the chap in this article wrote. As I have said previously though, if this young man genuinely regrets his comments and they were only made as a silly 16 year old and not repeated since then, I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt and allowed into Harvard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, stevenl said: 1 hour ago, atyclb said: so you dont think she should face some consequences with her current employer? Is that related to Harvard revoking? unrelated to harvard since a point was made about honorary degree. related to the ny times, supposedly an entity that may not tolerate open racism among its employees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said: 1 hour ago, atyclb said: so you dont think she should face some consequences with her current employer? From the BBC article you posted it looks like she has already faced some consequences from her actions but if you are asking whether she should be sacked then the answer is no. It wasn't that bad and wasn't the same as using the 'N' word and “Kill all the f---ing Jews' like the chap in this article wrote. As I have said previously though, if this young man genuinely regrets his comments and they were only made as a silly 16 year old and not repeated since then, I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt and allowed into Harvard. damn, a reasonable argument on tvf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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atyclb Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 21 hours ago, atyclb said: maybe. interesting how the ny times reporter / harvard law grad made her racist tweets as a mature woman and harvard law grad no less and not as a pre-university teenager because some posters thought a 16 year old may have lacked maturity and thus should be forgiven for his tweets and not have his harvard acceptance rescinded i "very simply" pointed out the racist tweets by sara jeong were made by a mature woman having had the benefit of a harvard education law degree no less thus the excuse of immaturity, lack of understanding, lack of education as an excuse does not come into play. it is simply mind boggling how this would make someone confused especially someone that has been following this topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 22 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: IMO, the race comments were the excuse, not the reason. IMO, they banned him for being a gun rights advocate. Good by me on either count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/19/2019 at 10:57 AM, atyclb said: david hogg took a seat away from likely better academically qualified applicants Really, how do you figure? He had a GPA of 4.2 which according to the college admissions website prepscholar.com, puts him in the 99th percentile of students nationwide. Even for students being accepted into Harvard, that would make him above the average. Yes, he had a below average SAT score but SAT scores are not necessarily indicative. Here's what a Harvard Admissions Officer said about SAT scores in 2013: Quote "Generally speaking, the SAT is not very important," said Marilyn McGrath, director of undergraduate admissions at No. 1 ranked Harvard College. But in any event, college admissions have never been only about purely academic scores. Yes, they're one of the things considered but they're not the be-all and end-all. All colleges weigh other factors beyond academics to ensure their campuses have a rich mix of personalities, talents and interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 56 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Really, how do you figure? He had a GPA of 4.2 which according to the college admissions website prepscholar.com, puts him in the 99th percentile of students nationwide. Even for students being accepted into Harvard, that would make him above the average. Yes, he had a below average SAT score but SAT scores are not necessarily indicative. Here's what a Harvard Admissions Officer said about SAT scores in 2013: But in any event, college admissions have never been only about purely academic scores. Yes, they're one of the things considered but they're not the be-all and end-all. All colleges weigh other factors beyond academics to ensure their campuses have a rich mix of personalities, talents and interests. The bottom 25% at Harvard have an average SAT score of 1460. David Hogg SAT score of 1270 A 4.2 GPA is above a 4.0, so it's outside of the normal range for unweighted GPAs. If you have a 4.2, your school uses weighted GPAs, meaning they take class difficulty into account when calculating GPA. A 4.2 indicates that you are earning Bs and B+s in high level classes or As and A+s in mid level classes. clearly the acceptance had nothing to do with his anti gun political activism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 7 hours ago, atyclb said: The bottom 25% at Harvard have an average SAT score of 1460. David Hogg SAT score of 1270 Which is totally consistent with the Harvard director of undergraduate admissions saying that, "the SAT is not very important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 11 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Which is totally consistent with the Harvard director of undergraduate admissions saying that, "the SAT is not very important." harvard's very own sat stats seem to strongly contradict his statement. in fact harvard has different sat standards for students based on race in hoggs case its pretty clear they made an sat score exception due to his political agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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