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34 minutes ago, Morch said:

Where the drone was at the time the interception was initiated, where it was struck, and where it crashed could be three different locations.

Yep, it could have been in Iran airspace when it was detected and fire upon and then booked it when they detected a missile had been fired.  Only 3 miles to international  airspace, about 20 seconds at 500 miles/hour and the missile had to travel 20 miles.  When the missile finally hit it could have been in international airspace.  Iran has parts, why doesn't the US if the wreckage is international waters? 

 

Trump's spin on when he asked about how many would be killed about 10 minutes before launch of the mission they told him 150 and that's why he cancelled the mission is total BS.  Every mission is preceded by a briefing, whether it's the President or not.  Part of that briefing is risk assessment which includes loss of life estimates including collateral damage.

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57 minutes ago, wayned said:

Yep, it could have been in Iran airspace when it was detected and fire upon and then booked it when they detected a missile had been fired.  Only 3 miles to international  airspace, about 20 seconds at 500 miles/hour and the missile had to travel 20 miles.  When the missile finally hit it could have been in international airspace.  Iran has parts, why doesn't the US if the wreckage is international waters? 

 

Trump's spin on when he asked about how many would be killed about 10 minutes before launch of the mission they told him 150 and that's why he cancelled the mission is total BS.  Every mission is preceded by a briefing, whether it's the President or not.  Part of that briefing is risk assessment which includes loss of life estimates including collateral damage.

 

Or the drone could have been in international airspace to begin with. I don't think we've got accurate enough information to draw conclusions either way.

 

Iran could simply have reached the debris ahead of the USA, and some parts could have been carried by currents toward Iran. If the interception was planned, Iranian forces out to salvage the remains would get a head-start. Whether the debris is/was in international waters doesn't necessarily bear on the location of the drone when it was intercepted.

 

Agree with the rest of your post.

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On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 AM, JHolmesJr said:

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some sort of shady plan to goad him into starting a war....so his rivals can then throw stones at him along with the rest of their media butt buddies...

There is a shady plan, but it is not the brain-child of his rivals. Bolton and Pompeo are the shady architects of this round of middle East tensions... 45 pulling out of the nuclear agreement didn't help either...

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On 6/22/2019 at 1:40 AM, JHolmesJr said:

 

word!

 

I wouldn't be surprised if there's some sort of shady plan to goad him into starting a war....so his rivals can then throw stones at him along with the rest of their media butt buddies...all the way into 2020.

 

He should pull out of all talks with Iran and keep them at an arm's length till he wins in 2020...then bring on the heavy artillery.

 

"after the election, I'll have more flexibility" (to kick some Iranian ass) 😉

So he ordered this flotilla to the Persian Gulf in order to not deal with the Iranians? Genius!!

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10 hours ago, bristolboy said:

So he ordered this flotilla to the Persian Gulf in order to not deal with the Iranians? Genius!!

This is a false flag operation through and through. The Japanese ship owners say many witnesses on board saw incoming fire, and the damage is well above the waterline, so the mine story is totally phony. USA invents pretext to go to war with country that has large oil reserves, how tiny does someone's brain have to be not to smell the same old rat here?

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2 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

This is a false flag operation through and through. The Japanese ship owners say many witnesses on board saw incoming fire, and the damage is well above the waterline, so the mine story is totally phony. USA invents pretext to go to war with country that has large oil reserves, how tiny does someone's brain have to be not to smell the same old rat here?

I'm certainly no defender of Trump. And I'm not asserting that Iran is responsible for the attack. That said, if someone wanted to send a message by lightly damaging a ship with a mine, best to place that mine above the water line. Who the sender of the message might be is anybody's guess.

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What is hard to believe is that the President has gotten everyone into such a ridiculous situation.   There was an agreement between Iran and a number of countries, including the US.   It provided a framework for what was permissible and what wasn't.   It provided for inspections.   Leaving the agreement left the US out of the loop.   

 

He then says he was going to attack, but changed his mind after the casualty report was given to him.   That is highly unlikely to be true, nearly all scenarios are accompanied by a casualty report.   Even Pence danced around this issue and acknowledge casualty figures were given.   

So basically once again he makes a problem, blithers around a bit and tries to convince he is being decisive when in fact he is being reckless.   He showed no restraint.    

 

 

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