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Trump says hard to believe Iranian shooting of U.S. drone was intentional

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2 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

Iran's going to pull out all the stops now to get to breakout. Once they demo a mushroom cloud on one of their many deserts the US will have to sue to negotiate.

 

Because both Riyadh and Tel Aviv are a couple of minutes away on the back of a mid-range missile. And Iran already has those.

 

And the CIA will be opening every Fedex package from Pyongyang to Teheran in the near future because NK surely won't mind a 2nd front to open against the US. Kim must be getting tired of all his foreign trips ending with him sitting across the table from a tall morbidly obese Yank.

 

 

 

I think Bolton is going to Israel soon to give the Israelis the green light should they feel the need. Trump was smart not to do it before the G20. China needs that oil, it's a chip in the stack.

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2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

So apparently there's no way that a person from queens can ever be held accountable for factuality of their speech? As for it being ridiculous to think Trump is ignorant, this is a guy who threatened to go to the Supreme Court to stop impeachment. Someone who thinks China is paying for tariffs. Over issues big and small, Trump consistently gives evidence of his massive degree of ignorance. 

You think Trumps ignrorant, and we get that. How about adhering to standards such as the topic at hand?

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Just now, Cryingdick said:

You think Trumps ignrorant, and we get that. How about adhering to standards such as the topic at hand?

Because someone claimed that it was ridiculous to think that Trump could be ignorant of so basic a fact. I was just invoking some evidence to show that it's not ridiculous at all.

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1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Because someone claimed that it was ridiculous to think that Trump could be ignorant of so basic a fact. I was just invoking some evidence to show that it's not ridiculous at all.

Okay. So can we get back on the topic?

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7 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Okay. So can we get back on the topic?

If you have a quarrel about my post being off topic (if in fact it was), then complain to riclag, who raised the issue in the first place.

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Trump has self-restraint and goes into the G20  meeting unscathed.

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3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

If you have a quarrel about my post being off topic (if in fact it was), then complain to riclag, who raised the issue in the first place.

 

It's just what you do. You always go to another issue and play it off. It's simply your MO. It may or may not have a certain amount of appeal here on TV but it fails in the real world.

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32 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

It's just what you do. You always go to another issue and play it off. It's simply your MO. It may or may not have a certain amount of appeal here on TV but it fails in the real world.

I think you're projecting. You are the person who constistently posts predictions of Trump's victory in all manner of threads that have nothing to do with elections at all.

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9 hours ago, brokenbone said:

if memory serve USA never offered compensation

after they shot down an iranian airliner 655 with 290 civilians

including 66 children, none survived

 

7 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

They did. In 1996. About 100mil.

 

 

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In February 1996, the United States agreed to pay Iran US$131.8 million in settlement to discontinue a case brought by Iran in 1989 against the U.S. in the International Court of Justice relating to this incident,[36] together with other earlier claims before the Iran-United States Claims Tribunal.[13] US$61.8 million of the claim was in compensation for the 248 Iranians killed in the shoot-down: $300,000 per wage-earning victim and $150,000 per non-wage-earner. In total, 290 civilians on board were killed, 38 being non-Iranians and 66 being children. It was not disclosed how the remaining $70 million of the settlement was apportioned, though it was close to the value of a used A300 at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655#Aftermath

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9 hours ago, Srikcir said:
  • Lt. General Joseph Guastella, Commander of US Air Forces Central Command, called Iran's claim "categorically false," adding that "the aircraft was over the Strait of Hormuz, and fell into international waters."

It's meaningless of where the drone crashed. Being over the Strait of Hormuz is also meaningless as the Strait reaches the Iranian shores. This statement sounds more like a politically crafted one where some facts are used to distort the truth.

 

  • The Pentagon released a map showing exactly where they say the aircraft was shot down.

Drone routes are tracked on a PC screen. Unless the "map" was a screenshot, it's debatable where a "map" indicates where the drone was struck that might not be the same as where is was "shot down."

 

I would also question the use of a drone in the first place if all it's doing is allegedly flying in international airspace. The U.S. has hundreds of manned aircraft capable of doing so as well as ships to spy on the Iranian coastline without entering Iranian sovereign territory. Use of a drone so close to Iran when tensions are high looks more like a "sacrificial lamb" being used to trigger a direct hostile Iranian response. 

 

Drone routs are not "tracked on a PC screen". That's just a presentation mode. The data can be extracted and presented in many other ways. The view, or screen available to controller would include further data, which may be classified or irrelevant. Did the Iranians publicly share precise data from their own systems?

 

You may question the use of the drone, and assert other platform could fill the same role. That, however, doesn't make it so. Different systems, different capabilities.

 

As for the conspiracy theory bit, all well and good - but somehow doubt the USA would have used the top of the line drone for such ploy, running the risk tech will fall into Iranian hands.

 

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9 hours ago, wayned said:

As I said before both the Iranians and Trump could be right.  The drone could have been 9 miles off the coast when Iran detedtedit and fired the missle.  Once the missile was fired the US detected the missile launch and the drone wasturned hard left with maximum power applied.  It only had to travel 3 miles to be in international airspace.  At 500 miles per hour that takes about 20 seconds.  The missile had to travel 20 miles.  So when the drone was actually shot down it could have been in international airspace.  But it's curious that Iran seems to have recovered pieces of the drone and have them on display, why doesn't the us Have pieces on display or was it actually in Iranian airspace when it was shot down and the wreckage is in Iranian waters.

John Bolton must have had to stop at the pharmacy on the way home last night to buy a pack of adult diapers and have his Valium prescription refilled.  when trump ordered the airstrike he must have pissed his pants in joy but when trump terminated the mission 10 minutes before it reached it's target he most likely shit his pants!

 

The missile would travel at a much higher speed, though. And it is not a given that detection of threat by the drone's systems would be instantaneous.

 

From the pictures I've seen, most of the wreckage presented by Iran seems to be outer or body parts. These are made of relatively lightweight materials - some would even float. The more "juicy" parts and the engine would be harder to salvage. Must be some interesting times underwater in them parts.

 

Where the drone was at the time the interception was initiated, where it was struck, and where it crashed could be three different locations.

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