TM 30 Requirement at Chiang Rai immigration

[statman78]

From reading many posts it appears that the requirements for filing the TM 30 varies by immigration office.  Here is my experience at Chiang Rai immigration today.

 

i am on a retirement extension and live in Chiang Rai with my wife.  This past weekend I sent a few days in Bangkok and stayed at a large hotel chain so I assume that they reported me to immigration.  I returned yesterday and this morning my wife and I went to the immigration office to do my 90 day report and to get a re-entry permit since I will be going to the US at the end of July.  I had some time but I wanted to go today just in case we needed to submit a TM 30 after my stay in Bangkok.  After doing my 90 day report and getting my re-entry permit, my wife asked if it was necessary to file another TM30 if I didn’t leave the country.  The IO said yes.  It is required anytime I would spend the night away from home.  In preparation for this, we did have the TM30 filled out.  I also had my hotel receipt and boarding passes.  The IO only asked to see my boarding pass from BKK to CEI to confirm I arrived yesterday.

 

 

 

 

[lamyai3]

CR has been one of the more extreme offices on this for some time now. Commiserations. 

[legend49]

My experiences at CNX IMO is never ask questions on what could be an issue, it wakes them up to find issues. Just smile and wait.

[lamyai3]

5 minutes ago, legend49 said:

My experiences at CNX IMO is never ask questions on what could be an issue, it wakes them up to find issues. Just smile and wait.

You neither read the OP properly, nor my reply. The topic is TM30 enforcement in Chiang Rai which has been extremely strict - your experiences in Chiang Mai are irrelevant. 

[statman78]

1 hour ago, lamyai3 said:

CR has been one of the more extreme offices on this for some time now. Commiserations. 

The IO did give my wife instructions how how to file the TM 30 on-line.  In the future I’m sure my wife will make me do it.  ????

[zhangxifu]

6 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

15 minutes ago, legend49 said:

My experiences at CNX IMO is never ask questions on what could be an issue, it wakes them up to find issues. Just smile and wait.

You neither read the OP properly, nor my reply. The topic is TM30 enforcement in Chiang Rai which has been extremely strict - your experiences in Chiang Mai are irrelevant. 

 

If I read the OP correctly, he managed to do 90d report and new re-entry permit successfully in a situation the local immigration office states is expired TM30. OP is that correct? Were you not asked for the TM30 receipt to get those service? And only after, he gave him self in, so to speak..

Doesn't that mean the office contradicted themshelves already in theory and practice.

[Orton Rd]

Rather like living in an open prison or having to report to your parole officer- for life

[asiamaster]

52 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

You neither read the OP properly, nor my reply. The topic is TM30 enforcement in Chiang Rai which has been extremely strict - your experiences in Chiang Mai are irrelevant. 

No it is not irrelevant. "Let sleeping dogs lie..."

I just returned from a 3 week trip to Europe and did not report either.

When going for my next 90 days I will not say anything. If they bring it up I will act surprised and say that I've been in Thailand for 20 years already and as they should know have been living at the same place for 15 years and have provided a copy of my wife's tabien baan and her ID each and every time I extended my retirement visa.

[mania]

19 hours ago, statman78 said:

This past weekend I sent a few days in Bangkok and stayed at a large hotel chain so I assume that they reported me to immigration.

I think this is a misunderstanding for many

 

Yes a hotel will report you were "there"

 

But sadly it is your job to yet report again that you are now "here" (meaning returned to CR or where ever home is in Thailand)

 

 

[LawrenceN]

1 hour ago, statman78 said:

The IO did give my wife instructions how how to file the TM 30 on-line.  In the future I’m sure my wife will make me do it.  ????

I just did my TM30 using the "Section 38" app (as they call it), as I returned to CM yesterday from an overseas trip. You're gonna hafta read Thai pretty well to cope with it. Even then, it's confusing. When you think you have everything ready to submit, and you hit the submit button, there's another confirmation asking whether you really want to submit. Neither wife nor I was sure what they were asking, but clicked on "Agree." It seemed to work. You can see the data you've sent with a link from the home screen.

[lamyai3]

25 minutes ago, asiamaster said:

No it is not irrelevant. "Let sleeping dogs lie..."

I just returned from a 3 week trip to Europe and did not report either.

To Chiang Rai? 

[Bert Jones]

Would someone be so kind as to post a link to the TM30 website. Thanks.

[villagefarang]

https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/?sessionExpire=true

[Bert Jones]

Many thanks.

[statman78]

7 hours ago, zhangxifu said:

 

If I read the OP correctly, he managed to do 90d report and new re-entry permit successfully in a situation the local immigration office states is expired TM30. OP is that correct? Were you not asked for the TM30 receipt to get those service? And only after, he gave him self in, so to speak..

Doesn't that mean the office contradicted themshelves already in theory and practice.

I did manage to do my 90 day report and get my re-entry permit before asking the question about the TM30.  The general question to the IO was “Is it necessary to do another TM30 if I just spend a few nights in Bangkok?”  The IO told me that it is required anytime I spend any time away from my house.  To be safe, and not wanting any trouble later, my wife filed the TM30.

[rwill]

Did the hotel ask for your passport when checking in?  If not it was never reported.  I have only once been asked to show my passport checking into a hotel or resort.  My wife just shows her Thai ID.

[lamyai3]

12 hours ago, statman78 said:

The IO told me that it is required anytime I spend any time away from my house.

This is indeed what Chiang Rai office have been insisting on for some time now, to the obvious bafflement of some respondents to this thread. Chiang Rai have taken a more extreme line than many offices in the country by requiring this for any overnight stay away from home, even one in the same province. 

[zhangxifu]

2 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

15 hours ago, statman78 said:

The IO told me that it is required anytime I spend any time away from my house.

This is indeed what Chiang Rai office have been insisting on for some time now, to the obvious bafflement of some respondents to this thread. Chiang Rai have taken a more extreme line than many offices in the country by requiring this for any overnight stay away from home, even one in the same province. 

 

In this case though they didn't require it. He got his 90 day report done and after was told that new TM30 must be done because he asked. This is comparable to riding to a police station to inquire should I use a helmet while riding. The answer they give makes sense as it is the literal law but a very few offices have taken to enforce it such a demanding way. Phuket for one we know has, I don't know the details. The whole point of needing to make a new TM30 is to refuse all service, 90 day report, until you have made the new TM30 and paid the possible fine.

[statman78]

17 hours ago, rwill said:

Did the hotel ask for your passport when checking in?  If not it was never reported.  I have only once been asked to show my passport checking into a hotel or resort.  My wife just shows her Thai ID.

Yes, the hotel did ask for my passport.  I'm not sure if the looked at the TM 6 in my which is stapled in my passport.