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BANGKOK 18 August 2019 14:19
TallGuyJohninBKK

BKK CW Report-Retire Extension, Income Letter, Re-Entry, TM30, etc.

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22 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Depending on what you mean by "go do..."

 

I wouldn't advise anyone to "go" to CW just for TM30 purposes alone, when it's relatively easy to fill out the paperwork and send it in my mail to BKK CW using the exact same address used for 90-day reports, except changing the first line to something like "TM30 Reports Section."

 

They don't seem to be particularly fussy about the timing of your TM30 submission, as long as you have a current, up-to-date one by the time you go to file for your next new extension.

 

And the queue lines at the TM30 section seem to be relatively long, probably in part because it seems a goodly portion of those going to transact business at BKK CW these days are coming in totally unaware of their new obligation to attain TM 30 compliance.

 

 

But if I'm submitting a TM30 that should have been submitted over 10 years ago where the arrival date is over 10 years old, passport number when arriving is now expired (i.e., however since renewed), etc., do you think they would accept such a TM30?

 

Below is a post by mtls2005 giving details of a "self-filing" TM30 versus your landlord filing it.  For me, the wife and I own our home....I even have my name on the chanote as possessing a usufruct on the property, etc., but of course the wife is still listed as the owner on the chanote. 

 

I was filing out the forms in mtls2005 post with my name as "Possessor of the Residence"...basically just my name on the TM30 and on its attachment.  I wonder if CW would buy off on that if mailed-in....not kick it back/ignore it because they want to collect a fine for late filing requiring an in-person visit.   

EDIT: guess there is one way to fine out....just fill out a TM30....mail it in with the attachments in mtls2005's post....include my Yellow Book and copy of chanote showing my name on it....and then see what happens.  If I get a receipt....awesome....if I don't get anything back that probably means I'll need to visit them and pay the fine.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

But if I'm submitting a TM30 that should have been submitted over 10 years ago where the arrival date is over 10 years old, passport number when arriving is now expired (i.e., however since renewed), etc., do you think they would accept such a TM30?

 

Below is a post by mtls2005 giving details of a "self-filing" TM30 versus your landlord filing it.  For me, the wife and I own our home....I even have my name on the chanote as possessing a usufruct on the property, etc., but of course the wife is still listed as the owner on the chanote. 

 

I was filing out the forms in mtls2005 post with my name as "Possessor of the Residence"...basically just my name on the TM30 and on its attachment.  I wonder if CW would buy off on that if mailed-in....not kick it back/ignore it because they want to collect a fine for late filing requiring an in-person visit.   

EDIT: guess there is one way to fine out....just fill out a TM30....mail it in with the attachments in mtls2005's post....include my Yellow Book and copy of chanote showing my name on it....and then see what happens.  If I get a receipt....awesome....if I don't get anything back that probably means I'll need to visit them and pay the fine.

 

 

Those are good, legit issues, Pib... All I can say in response is... CW Immigration themselves NEVER enforced the TM30 requirement until starting sometime toward the end of last year.

 

So it's not like you've been 10 years delinquent in doing something you should have done all along. I've been here for the same 10+ years, and I never did a TM 30 before this past late Jan., because it was never required of us.

 

But the difference between you and me, on that score, is I've had recent trips out and back of Thailand, and filed my first ever TM30 just about a month after returning from my most recent trip abroad last December. So my lag time is a fair bit shorter than yours!!!  You being the stay-at-home, Chang drinking type!

 

:tongue:

 

 

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3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You being the stay-at-home, Chang drinking type!

 

I think I'll drink a Chang while filling out the TM30 paperwork....mail it all in and see what happens.  I figure the worst that could happen is zero response. 

 

I'll may write on the top of the TM30 form: Lost original TM30 receipt...refiling to get new one."

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16 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

But if I'm submitting a TM30 that should have been submitted over 10 years ago where the arrival date is over 10 years old, passport number when arriving is now expired (i.e., however since renewed), etc., do you think they would accept such a TM30?

 

Below is a post by mtls2005 giving details of a "self-filing" TM30 versus your landlord filing it.  For me, the wife and I own our home....I even have my name on the chanote as possessing a usufruct on the property, etc., but of course the wife is still listed as the owner on the chanote. 

 

I was filing out the forms in mtls2005 post with my name as "Possessor of the Residence"...basically just my name on the TM30 and on its attachment.  I wonder if CW would buy off on that if mailed-in....not kick it back/ignore it because they want to collect a fine for late filing requiring an in-person visit.   

EDIT: guess there is one way to fine out....just fill out a TM30....mail it in with the attachments in mtls2005's post....include my Yellow Book and copy of chanote showing my name on it....and then see what happens.  If I get a receipt....awesome....if I don't get anything back that probably means I'll need to visit them and pay the fine.

 

 

I had also never filed a TM30 in 20 years here in Bangkok and just mailed my first TM30 to CW last month (May) after my latest trip abroad.

 

Received my TM30 receipt from CW a month later by post and am now registered in the TM30 system at CW without any repercussions so this method seems to be acceptable to CW.

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13 minutes ago, Ajooma said:

I had also never filed a TM30 in 20 years here in Bangkok and just mailed my first TM30 to CW last month (May) after my latest trip abroad.

 

Received my TM30 receipt from CW a month later by post and am now registered in the TM30 system at CW without any repercussions so this method seems to be acceptable to CW.

Did you complete the form using "old" info....like the passport number you had 20 years ago? 

 

And did you submit it as the "Possessor of the Residence" with nothing but your name on the TM30?   Or did the form have your landlord/wife name on the TM30 along with a copy of their ID and blue book?    Thanks.

 

Edit:  Whoops, just noticed you said you completed the TM30 form after arriving last month/May.  So, it was not a TM30 that was 20 years late since it was really for your May arrival....although it probably was not submitted/received within 24 hours like they want in the perfect/unreal world.

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Just now, Pib said:

Did you complete the form using "old" info....like the passport number you had 20 years ago? 

 

And did you submit it as the "Possessor of the Residence" with nothing but your name on the TM30?   Or did the form have your landlord/wife name on the TM30 along with a copy of their ID and blue book?    Thanks.

I am renting a condo from a company that own the condo building, not an individual landlord, therefore just self filled my name and my address only on the TM30 form.

 

I used current passport info.

 

I also obtained a copy of the condo managers ID card (signed by the manager) and also got the company that owns/manages the building to write a short letter confirming who I was and that I lived at my current address.

 

Here is a list of items that I sent to CW if it helps -

 

TM 30 FORM

PASSPORT FACE PAGE COPY (SIGNED BY MYSELF)

LATEST DEPARTURE STAMP COPY (SIGNED BY MYSELF)

LATEST ARRIVAL STAMP PAGE COPY (SIGNED BY MYSELF)

LATEST VISA/EXTENSION STAMP (RETIREMENT) PAGE COPY (SIGNED BY MYSELF)

REENTRY PERMIT STAMP PAGE COPY (SIGNED BY MYSELF)

TM 6 DEPARTURE SLIP COPY (SIGNED BY MYSELF)

RENTAL CONTRACT COPY (SIGNED BY MYSELF)

CONDO MANAGER I.D. AND LETTER (SIGNED BY MANAGER)

SELF ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE 5BAHT REGULAR POST

 

There is a 2nd form that comes with the TM30 which may be for the landlord/manager to fill in with a table for names, passport details, address, TM6 number etc ... anyway I also self filled that form in and sent together with the above list ... in the final column of this form I printed myself as TENANT.

 

Hope it helps !

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1 minute ago, Ajooma said:

Hope it helps !

Yes....thanks.

 

I'm just going to complete and mail-in a TM30....attach everything (documents-wise) but the kitchen sink and see what happens.  If I get a TM30 receipt in the mail...awesome!  If not, I will deal with it on my next visit to immigration which will probably be in late August/early September when I go do my annual extension of stay renewal.

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Just now, Pib said:

Yes....thanks.

 

I'm just going to complete and mail-in a TM30....attach everything (documents-wise) but the kitchen sink and see what happens.  If I get a TM30 receipt in the mail...awesome!  If not, I will deal with it on my next visit to immigration which will probably be in late August/early September when I go do my annual extension of stay renewal.

You should be fine ... as I wrote earlier, be patient with the TM30 receipt as mine took over a month to finally get back to me.

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20 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

In my case, I reported myself back in Feb. for TM30 and got the receipt back in the mail.

If I understood correctly, the TM30 form is for house/building owner to file. As a perennial renter, I wonder how I can just show up at CW "B" counter and register myself since I don't own anything real-estate wise?

 

Anyhow, I just learned from another tv member that for self-filing, you can be filing both as the housemaster and in case of renter, as "possessor of the residence" (you rent therefore you possess) as stated in the headline of the TM30 form. In other words you can fill in the blanks with your name as the person filing and listing/reporting yourself as "alien" on page 2 and then signing the whole thing off as well.

 

Is that how you did it? (And yeah by post seems to be the much better way than showing up as number 355 at counter "B" on a weekday afternoon...) thanks for the verification.

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17 hours ago, Pib said:

Yes....thanks.

 

I'm just going to complete and mail-in a TM30....attach everything (documents-wise) but the kitchen sink and see what happens.  If I get a TM30 receipt in the mail...awesome!  If not, I will deal with it on my next visit to immigration which will probably be in late August/early September when I go do my annual extension of stay renewal.

Update: And I mailed in the stuff this morning via EMS...CW immigration will have it by close of business tomorrow...a TM30 filing that should have occurred around 11 years ago. I figure one of four things will happen. 

 

Immigration will:

1.  Trash it upon receipt

2.  Trash it and still be laughing when I show-up in a few months to do my annual retirement extension of stay.

3.  Send Big Joke to deliver a Bt800 fine

4.  Approve it and send me a receipt.

 

Time will tell. 

 

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