UK car industry warns next PM against 'seismic' no-deal Brexit

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

By putting thousands of people out of work?  And you want the UK to be part of an organisation that does this? 

Well that's what we are dealing with and the type of people in the UK who support it. An example of the type of underhand stunts the EU has been pulling on UK industry for 40+ years. It's been a long and stealthy undeclared trade war, which is now about to be turned around.
If anyone takes away manufacture of the cars which were previously made in Britain, don't cry about high tariffs when you want to export them back into post-Brexit UK.
 

[CNXexpat]

46 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

We are still a member of the EU are we not? Punishing a member state in the process of leaving by making thousands jobless - not great PR is it! 

Think about it, why it´s cheaper and better for the Japanese companies to build cars for the European market in far away Japan including the costs for transport the cars from Japan to Europe instead building them in the factories they are existing in the UK. I don´t think that Japanese workers earn less than UK workers per hour. 

[CNXexpat]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Britain is not a country that sits back and takes loads of sheet in order to get favourable deals from others. We'd rather find our own way than have our sovereignty slowly eroded, whatever the risks. You found this out in June 2016 when we voted to leave despite all the fear mongering. 

Oh yes, I am sure the UK with 66 mio. people and a small Industrie which is, like the car industry, mostly owned by non-British companies, will make great deals with Mr. America First and the 1.3 billion people market India, which the UK treated so well when they were their colony. Especially when everybody knows that the UK is under pressure to make deals. Dream on.

A trading contract needs years till it´s finished. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Britain is not a country that sits back and takes loads of sheet in order to get favourable deals from others. We'd rather find our own way than have our sovereignty slowly eroded, whatever the risks. You found this out in June 2016 when we voted to leave despite all the fear mongering. 

Three sheets to the wind!

[Loiner]

Why should the EU care about a country that's rejecting it? If the EU made some kind  of tradeoff with Japan and it cost jobs in Canada, would that also be a problem for you. The EU  exists first and foremost to benefit its members in good standing.

But we are currently still a member. How long did the Japan Deal take to make, while we were a member? Not benefiting the UK member were they?
How about the EU plot for us to Remain a member? If UK now decided to revoke Article 50, would the EU revoke the Japanese trade deal?
Like, yeah they would.

[stevenl]

Of course the agreement with Japan was not done to hinder the British car industry.

Don't know the reasons for the agreement, but there must be something in exchange.

[Johnyo]

Project Fear again and again. It's incessant.
This is just the Remainer motor traders propaganda, looking for the path of least resistance - which happens to be the Remainer part of the UK. They had better go lobby the German manufacturers to up the ante in the EU to make a deal with the UK.

Japanese also in the conspiracy, wake up, project fear will become project reality. Anyway the UK needs Europe rather than the other way round so In the end there will be a deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/27/japan-blunt-warning-dont-lead-britain-eu-brexit-foreign-minister?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other



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[CG1 Blue]

56 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Of course the agreement with Japan was not done to hinder the British car industry.

Don't know the reasons for the agreement, but there must be something in exchange.

Yes there must be something in exchange. Perhaps the ability for France to export their wines and cheeses to Japan unhindered, and the same for Germany's cars? They clearly decided Britain's car manufacturing industry was a price worth paying for that.  

[stevenl]

Just now, CG1 Blue said:

Yes there must be something in exchange. Perhaps the ability for France to export their wines and cheeses to Japan unhindered, and the same for Germany's cars? They clearly decided Britain's car manufacturing industry was a price worth paying for that.  

And not french and Italian car industry?

Time to leave the victim role behind.

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Britain is not a country that sits back and takes loads of sheet in order to get favourable deals from others. We'd rather find our own way than have our sovereignty slowly eroded, whatever the risks. You found this out in June 2016 when we voted to leave despite all the fear mongering. 

Three sheets to the wind!

Not at all.  That's just the difference between the UK and your country Monsieur 

[Loiner]

Japanese also in the conspiracy, wake up, project fear will become project reality. Anyway the UK needs Europe rather than the other way round so In the end there will be a deal.

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Of course the Japanese are part of the conspiracy. They invested in UK factories as the best place to manufacture and export into the EU. Then they found great sales in the UK. They are not leaving but with EU emission rules some diesel models won’t be made in the UK anymore.
There is nothing in the WAG deal currently rejected by the UK parliament, that affects ‘Japanese’ cars made in UK. Post-Brexit trading terms have not started to be discussed yet. There absolutely be some deal made about that, but we must Brexit first.
Project Fear strikes again.

[CG1 Blue]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

11 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yes there must be something in exchange. Perhaps the ability for France to export their wines and cheeses to Japan unhindered, and the same for Germany's cars? They clearly decided Britain's car manufacturing industry was a price worth paying for that.  

And not french and Italian car industry?

Time to leave the victim role behind.

Germany have by far the most to gain. France and Italy will benefit too, yes. So the three largest economies in the EU (Ex UK) are the ones who benefit. Your point is? 

 

Car exports by country:

 

1. Germany: US$154.7 billion (20.8% of total cars exports)
2. Japan: $99.1 billion (13.3%)
3. United States: $51.4 billion (6.9%)
4. Mexico: $49.4 billion (6.6%)
5. United Kingdom: $42 billion (5.6%)
6. Canada: $41 billion (5.5%)
7. South Korea: $38.2 billion (5.1%)
8. Spain: $35.5 billion (4.8%)
9. Belgium: $34.2 billion (4.6%)
10. France: $25.2 billion (3.4%)
11. Slovakia: $22 billion (3%)
12. Italy: $16.9 billion (2.3%)

 

 

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Germany have by far the most to gain. France and Italy will benefit too, yes. So the three largest economies in the EU (Ex UK) are the ones who benefit. Your point is? 

 

Car exports by country:

 

1. Germany: US$154.7 billion (20.8% of total cars exports)
2. Japan: $99.1 billion (13.3%)
3. United States: $51.4 billion (6.9%)
4. Mexico: $49.4 billion (6.6%)
5. United Kingdom: $42 billion (5.6%)
6. Canada: $41 billion (5.5%)
7. South Korea: $38.2 billion (5.1%)
8. Spain: $35.5 billion (4.8%)
9. Belgium: $34.2 billion (4.6%)
10. France: $25.2 billion (3.4%)
11. Slovakia: $22 billion (3%)
12. Italy: $16.9 billion (2.3%)

 

 

You have no idea about the conditions of the deal, but are able to determine who benefits.

 

Again, stop playing the victim.

[CG1 Blue]

15 minutes ago, stevenl said:

You have no idea about the conditions of the deal, but are able to determine who benefits.

 

Again, stop playing the victim.

You think the trade deal will not remove tariffs and technical trade barriers for EU exports to Japan? Of course it will. EU car exports to S. Korea went up about 40% or something when the EU signed a trade deal with them. 

[Guest Jerry787]

always said the blondie, will take britain to despair.
lets watch the "no deal" effect, its will worst then a mega tsunami.

[tebee]

So PSA have said the new Astra will be built at Ellesmere port, but not if there is a no deal brexit 

 

 

[sandyf]

On 6/26/2019 at 6:50 PM, JonnyF said:

You missed my point entirely.  Let me keep it simple.

 

The Japanese will sign a deal just as the South Koreans did. 

The fundamental problem with brexit, the leavers are desperate to believe it is all so simple.

The Japanese car manufacturers came to the UK as an entry point to the EU, post brexit that would not be the case. It would be more economical to operate on the EU mainland or possibly from Japan under the new EU trade agreement.

The Japanese shareholders have been complaining since the referendum about the reduction in profits due to the falling pound, Do you really think that loyalty to the UK will overcome incentives from the EU.

Only the simple would think that profits have no say in the matter.

[sandyf]

On 6/26/2019 at 6:43 PM, billd766 said:

The majority of German cars in Thailand are made in Thailand.

 

The imported ones don't care what the price is because of the Thai face. The one which says I have a lot more money than you.

Yes Bill, I have already said I made a mistake in referring to German cars, should have just said that if price were a factor there would be no imported cars in Thailand.

It is the same worldwide, price does not prevent sales, just limits the potential.

[welovesundaysatspace]

9 hours ago, tebee said:

So PSA have said the new Astra will be built at Ellesmere port, but not if there is a no deal brexit 

 

 

Good! Let the riff-raff find out the hard way. 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Good! Let the riff-raff find out the hard way. 

You will do when we set the tariff so high that its only economically viable to produce 'imported' cars in the UK.

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You will do when we set the tariff so high that its only economically viable to produce 'imported' cars in the UK.

And UK consumers will be back to the good old ‘rip-off Britain’ paying more for goods and services than anyone in Europe.

 

The only thing tariffs will do is provide cover for UK businesses to hike their prices in the home market and raise the cost of anything with imported content.

 

The consumers will pay a higher price for less choice.

 

 

[Loiner]

11 hours ago, tebee said:

So PSA have said the new Astra will be built at Ellesmere port, but not if there is a no deal brexit

Political anti-Brexit meddling by the French, add a bit of commercial leverage, a hint of hyperbole, et viola: more Project Fear. Do you really think a UK government wouldn't adjust tariffs and taxes to ensure those cars, plus others are made in the UK?

They have stood by and watched this type of industrial sabotage because we are part of the EU. After Bexit we won't have to any more.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Political anti-Brexit meddling by the French, add a bit of commercial leverage, a hint of hyperbole, et viola: more Project Fear. Do you really think a UK government wouldn't adjust tariffs and taxes to ensure those cars, plus others are made in the UK?

They have stood by and watched this type of industrial sabotage because we are part of the EU. After Bexit we won't have to any more.

Industrial sabotage you say.

 

Are we back to Thatcher and the asset stripping of British industry?

 

Time to learn from the Germans who have invested in industry while the UK promoted banking and paid the price of banker’s crimes from the public purse.

[tebee]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

You will do when we set the tariff so high that its only economically viable to produce 'imported' cars in the UK.

but if no one is producing cars in the uk that just means consumers have to pay more for their cars !

[tebee]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Political anti-Brexit meddling by the French, add a bit of commercial leverage, a hint of hyperbole, et viola: more Project Fear. Do you really think a UK government wouldn't adjust tariffs and taxes to ensure those cars, plus others are made in the UK?

They have stood by and watched this type of industrial sabotage because we are part of the EU. After Bexit we won't have to any more.

So the narrative when this all goes pear shaped is going to be it was a plot against the UK by those nasty foreigners and not that we did something damn stupid ourselves ? 

 

Why can't brexiters see that  making our own industry less competitive is simply going to mean that it all moves to europe. Being nasty to the rest of Europe will mean they won't give us any favours like when we were part of the same community.

 

Brexit England is going to end up very soon surrounded on all sides by the EU - once Ireland is reunited and Scotland joins . Trying to be nasty to all of them is not going to be a winning proposition. 

[damascase]

On 6/26/2019 at 4:05 PM, CG1 Blue said:

The Japanese are moving production back to Japan because the EU signed a trade deal with them. We can thank the EU for the loss of jobs in that sector. 

........and don’t forget to thank your democratically elected government for agreeing with - and signing/ratifying - the deal.

[Thongkorn]

3 hours ago, damascase said:

........and don’t forget to thank your democratically elected government for agreeing with - and signing/ratifying - the deal.

More like Black mailed into signing it. The EU had been giving grants to Companys to move out of Britan to Eastern Europe for years, Thats what free movment of People is about, cheap Labour. Thats what the EU is about. Big comglomerates lobbying EU MPs.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Thongkorn said:

More like Black mailed into signing it. The EU had been giving grants to Companys to move out of Britan to Eastern Europe for years, Thats what free movment of People is about, cheap Labour. Thats what the EU is about. Big comglomerates lobbying EU MPs.

Which I guess is precisely why the EU enacts laws in favour of citizens against big business and frequently levies huge fines and halts big business ripping off consumers.

 

 

[sandyf]

10 hours ago, Loiner said:

Political anti-Brexit meddling by the French, add a bit of commercial leverage, a hint of hyperbole, et viola: more Project Fear. Do you really think a UK government wouldn't adjust tariffs and taxes to ensure those cars, plus others are made in the UK?

They have stood by and watched this type of industrial sabotage because we are part of the EU. After Bexit we won't have to any more.

Foreign companies have chosen to make cars in the UK as part of the EU, those companies can just as easily choose to make their cars somewhere else.

Should they do so, do you really think a UK government will have any say in the matter.

[welovesundaysatspace]

Meanwhile, in the EU:

 

EU and South American economic bloc Mercosur have clinched a huge trade deal after 20 years of negotiations. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48807161