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BANGKOK 19 July 2019 21:34
jaffas21

changing face of farang teachers

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So what does anyone think of the changing face of farangs teaching english in Thailand. Recently we have seen laws where backpackers can no longer just leave if they can't hack it after a month, they need to go through a complex process of resigning getting their permits cancelled and everything. So surely this will put people off or will they simply go for a four month style try it out agency (i won't mention names). If it is putting them off it explains what im seeing a lot off on job adverts these days.

 

The rise of the europeans, it doesn't matter on your language skills (or accent) just if your face is pale, of course the accent matters when they hear how someone from some countries speak, but as long as the parents never do, is fine, unless of course the kids complain.

 

The shortage of native speakers on the ground outside of bangkok and chiangmai is clear for anyone seeing these new trends happening, so will thailand keep embracing these non natives or what ..what does anyone see happening in the future, a bigger shortage of backpackers can only make the problem larger.

 

Then you have the current bills going through the filipino parliament to raise the salary for government teachers to 40,000 pesos, if this happens there will be an exodus of filipino teachers all back to the phillipines, i've noticed an attempt by the thais to raise their salaries to 25,000 baht for a select group but this wouldnt be enough as life is generally cheaper over there anyway. Would this suddenly mean more jobs for more farangs.

 

What do you think?

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Lot of white South Africans turning up, some fairly easy to understand, others with a heavy Afrikaans accent almost impossible to, and yeah, the quota on teaching license waivers seems to be yet another badly thought out and pointless exercise in bureaucracy that is forcing  some of the experienced teachers out of Thailand.

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1 hour ago, Number 6 said:

It's very interesting how we all have such different experiences. I've worked at half dozen schools all with a contract signed before the day I stepped into the classroom. Absolutely. Work permits were produced in as little as three weeks and at most under 90 days. There still may be plenty of westerners to fill spots, but it's quite obvious that if they're not very good at teaching or perhaps much of anything else otherwise they wouldn't be in the sticks working in some of the poorest schools in Thailand often without aircon and all sorts of other perks and amenities. NNES must take the toeic but I'd heard for schools upcountry any score will do. Teachers council will allow four and in rare instances five waivers. Which brings me to my last point. The teacher that was put on the street after six years couldn't be troubled do do any professional development and did not receive a full license after this time. S/he failed themselves don't blame the school. The TCT shouldn't be blamed either there are a few thousand farang with full licenses now. Your pal didn't care enough about his job or his students.  You labor under a number of misperceptions. Maybe instead of all those teachers being out and about they could be bettering themselves. My six years of experience has been hard won, but sometimes I even surprise myself at the opportunities I find myself in. I can't speak to being over 60 but being nearly 60 has absolutely posed no issues on being hired. Further, despite having only a BA and no tefl I've been looked at by some very good universities and some mid tier internationals as well. I just see a lack of ambition. Further, I don't see Filipinos as competition, not in the least.

 

There are growing opportunities for Filipinos because they are willing to accept local teaching wages despite having essentially the same professional expenses as westerners. That's personal choice. But they cannot ride on my back. Just because I'm making X means they deserve Y. I hear a lot of Filipino whinging about Caucasians and wages but they continue to work for poor salaries whereas I've walked away from jobs paying 45+ and 50+. It has been my long standing opinion that it costs 27.5k at a minimum to exist in Thailand. That excludes tickets home, holidays, girlfriends, medical dental, savings. I spend about 22k a month but that's just the monthly allowance. In conclusion, I disagree with most of what you've stated.

Someone else who seems a little confused.

 

"Sticks" you say, "no aircon" you say. One of the hottest environments I ever taught in was in Suan Kularb school, Bangkok. Top 5 in Thailand. No aircon. You don't need to be in the sticks for no aircon. In fact my last job, in Issan, did offer a classroom with aircon and I turned it down. I would rather not have it. 

 

With long waiting times at Kurusapa for a waiver, a work permit in 3 weeks can't happen. Your 90 days pretty much agrees with what I said so thanks for that.

 

You have heard that upcountry any Toeic score will do. Wrong again. It is not up to the school. It is Khurusapa and Labour office that set the rules.

 

You say you have been "looked at" even though you don;t have a TEFL. No surprise there as a TEFL is not a requirement.

 

Lastly, you talk about "my pal". Not sure what you mean. I was using a scenario as an example. Many people have been working towards a qualification for a licence only to be told the rules have changed, me included. Culture course done, 4 tests done.....now no good and must do something else. Sometimes it is just not worth carrying on. Having only been here for 6 years you may not have heard of these routes to a full licence. That is probably why made the mis conception.

 

It's a shame things went on as they did at Khurusapa as I am a committed teacher and have been for 20+ years here in Thailand. Time to hang up my chalk.

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 The TEFL salaries and working conditions in Thailand are some of the worst in Asia. Other countries are offering much better packages now.

This has left the desperate and unambitious to stay and accept the nonsense and bureaucracy that this country pushes on its foreign workers.

 

1 hour ago, puchooay said:

Culture course done, 4 tests done.....now no good and must do something else.

Are the 4 tests no longer acceptable for a license?

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2 hours ago, stubuzz said:

 

 

Are the 4 tests no longer acceptable for a license?

No. What decade are you living in?

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8 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

No. What decade are you living in?

I like you; You are funny. 

Anyway, A colleague got his licence and has renewed it last year with A BA and 4 tests. Thus my question. When did Krusapa stop accepting them?

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