Problem with Landlord and TM30

[DrJack54 7,456]

10 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Submitting the the TM.30 as possessor is likely to be accepted, but that isn’t the issue. When applying for an extension of stay they seem to be wanting a TM.30 completed by the owner, even if one was completed by someone else when you moved in.

 

The reason for the increasing enforcement of TM.30’s stems from security risks, which is why they want the owner to confirm the applicant actually lives at the address given.

? So your saying I can do a tm30 tomorrow as possessor (pay fine if required) obtain a receipt, then a week later I return for annual extension they want a tm30 completed by owner and the receipt I have is useless??

Where you file tm30 is separate from extension area. They either accept tm30 as possessor in person at CW or they do not. Which one?

Edited July 9, 2019 by DrJack54

[Lacessit 23,348]

I'd change my landlord. No reason to give him aid and comfort in breaking the law to the OP's detriment.

[BestB 12,707]

Sorry perhaps a silly question but should rental agreement not include owner ID and copy of tabian Baan to confirm ownership of the property ? All my rentals always has owner ID and TB signed by the owner . If someone refuses to attach it to the agreement I refuse to lease it as I have no idea to verify i am renting from the actual owner 

[ThomasThBKK 5,018]

36 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I will also be doing it by mail and including photocopies I listed in my first thread. That post was based on reports of doing exactly that and receiving receipt, all be it 3 weeks later. 

The op does not have that time. Wondering if anyone has gone straight to B line (?) trying to file as possessor then with receipt obtain L ticket for extension.

Hence why i said messenger, my friend did one using the line man, got receipt back 4 hours later from CW. But sure you should be able to do that yourself at the same day you go for extension too - but there's always the risk of an IO just making shit up, because thailand.

[elviajero 7,710]

29 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

? So your saying I can do a tm30 tomorrow as possessor (pay fine if required) obtain a receipt, then a week later I return for annual extension they want a tm30 completed by owner and the receipt I have is useless??

Where you file tm30 is separate from extension area. They either accept tm30 as possessor in person at CW or they do not. Which one?

Yes I believe that is entirely possible.

 

It’s still too early to know what CW want, when and by whom.

[Caldera 3,517]

2 hours ago, elviajero said:

The reason for the increasing enforcement of TM.30’s stems from security risks

Thanks for pointing that out. I thought they just need additional revenue in fines. I didn't realize they have the security of the kingdom in mind, I will sleep better now.

[DrJack54 7,456]

2 hours ago, elviajero said:

Yes I believe that is entirely possible.

 

It’s still too early to know what CW want, when and by whom.

Your first post had such confidence. Now this rubbish.

 

[Leaver 5,812]

It seems that we are now at the stage where foreigners renting property should demand a copy of the owner's Thai ID before signing a lease, and this should be told to an agent as well. 

 

No documents for a TM30 = no tenant = no money for owner.

 

 

[DrJack54 7,456]

10 minutes ago, Leaver said:

It seems that we are now at the stage where foreigners renting property should demand a copy of the owner's Thai ID before signing a lease, and this should be told to an agent as well. 

 

No documents for a TM30 = no tenant = no money for owner.

 

 

That's possible. However it assumes imm has connection to revenue gov office. My guess its an imm driven thing at CW at least.

Side issue is very nice kickback. Many reports of 800baht fine. 

[onera1961 1,551]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

Sorry perhaps a silly question but should rental agreement not include owner ID and copy of tabian Baan to confirm ownership of the property ? All my rentals always has owner ID and TB signed by the owner . If someone refuses to attach it to the agreement I refuse to lease it as I have no idea to verify i am renting from the actual owner 

All rental contracts have owner ID signed by the owner. But that is not a guarantee that the place belongs to the person who claimed it to be the owner. I generally verify the owner with the condo office. 

Edited July 9, 2019 by onera1961

[MeePeeMai 1,617]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

Sorry perhaps a silly question but should rental agreement not include owner ID and copy of tabian Baan to confirm ownership of the property ? All my rentals always has owner ID and TB signed by the owner . If someone refuses to attach it to the agreement I refuse to lease it as I have no idea to verify i am renting from the actual owner 

 

Yes this has been my experience renting a house (not a condo).  A signed lease agreement with a copy of the house owner's ID and Tabian Ban or a TM30 is not possible.  Absolutely no self reporting (as possessor) has been my experience. 

[lkv 3,927]

Solutions:

 

1. Hotel 1 night that does report, and proof of that from them. 400-800 baht per night something.

 

2. Thai friend that is willing to help report you at his address.

 

3. Agent.

 

4. Self filing as possessor if that works.

 

Explain to Immigration that the "owner just does not want to do it". And see what their response is.

Edited July 9, 2019 by lkv

[DrJack54 7,456]

7 minutes ago, MeePeeMai said:

 

Yes this has been my experience renting a house (not a condo).  A signed lease agreement with a copy of the house owner's ID and Tabian Ban or a TM30 is not possible.  Absolutely no self reporting (as possessor) has been my experience. 

Can you reword that. Makes zero sense.

[MeePeeMai 1,617]

Just now, DrJack54 said:

Can you reword that. Makes zero sense.

yea sure - Lease agreement, copy of landlord's Thai ID and a copy of landlord's House Book (Tabian ban) are all needed for a TM30 report (at my local Immigration Office).  Missing one or the other will result in a "mai dai"  ... makes sense to me.

[DrJack54 7,456]

7 minutes ago, lkv said:

Solutions:

 

1. Hotel 1 night that does report, and proof of that from them. 400-800 baht per night something.

 

2. Thai friend that is willing to help report you at his address.

 

3. Agent.

 

4. Self filing as possessor if that works.

Why include #4 ...."if that works"

Mean works some imm office or you not sure? 

The OP is shortly applying for extension. Re #1 Think he needs proof of where he lives. Meaning lease or similar. Hotel booking won't cut it.