Problem with Landlord and TM30

[DrJack54 4,613]

3 minutes ago, MeePeeMai said:

yea sure - Lease agreement, copy of landlord's Thai ID and a copy of landlord's House Book (Tabian ban) are all needed for a TM30 report (at my local Immigration Office).  Missing one or the other will result in a "mai dai"  ... makes sense to me.

Not to me since OP is dealing with CW. Your local imm has zip to do with op

[lkv 3,388]

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Why include #4 ...."if that works"

 

Because I'm not sure where he is going.

 

Is he going to Chaengwatthana or Samut Prakan?

 

CW is a better option.

 

As far as I know, they stopped enforcing TM30's for tourist visa extensions at CW, which means he can write down any address.

 

Unless they started enforcing them  again, it can change as the wind blows. Of which, again I am not sure.

 

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Re #1 Think he needs proof of where he lives. Meaning lease or similar. Hotel booking won't cut it.

Yes it will cut it if he moves into a hotel for 1 night, asks the hotel to report him, and obtains proof from them.

Edited July 9, 2019 by lkv

[DrJack54 4,613]

2 minutes ago, lkv said:

Because I'm not sure where he is going.

 

Is he going to Chaengwatthana or Samut Prakan?

 

CW is a better option.

 

As far as I know, they stopped enforcing TM30's for tourist visa extensions at CW, which means he can write down any address.

 

Unless they started enforcing them  again, it can change as the wind blows. Of which, again I am not sure.

 

Yes it will cut it if he moves into a hotel for 1 night, asks the hotel to report him, and obtains proof from them.

Hey man sorry. I have been typing all day off and on re tm30 for annual extensions. You are correct. Op is extending his tourist visa. Feel like a dill. Not uncommon. 

Cheers.

[lkv 3,388]

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Hey man sorry. I have been typing all day off and on re tm30 for annual extensions. You are correct. Op is extending his tourist visa. Feel like a dill. Not uncommon. 

Cheers.

No worries

 

He should clarify though if he is going to Chaengwatthana. We had people before that stated "I live in Bangkok", where Bangkok meant Bearing, which means Samut Prakan, which means likely enforcement of TM30s even on tourist visa extensions (I think).

 

If that's the case, he should go Chaengwatthana and put a random address.

 

If he is going there already, it would only mean they started enforcing it again.

Edited July 9, 2019 by lkv

[Maestro 4,550]

1 hour ago, MeePeeMai said:

yea sure - Lease agreement, copy of landlord's Thai ID and a copy of landlord's House Book (Tabian ban) are all needed for a TM30 report (at my local Immigration Office).  Missing one or the other will result in a "mai dai"  ... makes sense to me.

In other words, you are off topic. The OP is talking about Bangkok, not your unnamed local immigration office.

[zhangxifu 76]

9 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

9 hours ago, Leaver said:

It seems that we are now at the stage where foreigners renting property should demand a copy of the owner's Thai ID before signing a lease, and this should be told to an agent as well. 

 

No documents for a TM30 = no tenant = no money for owner.

 

 

That's possible. However it assumes imm has connection to revenue gov office. My guess its an imm driven thing at CW at least.

Side issue is very nice kickback. Many reports of 800baht fine

For any contract to be lawful in Thailand it must contain copies of ID's and be written in thai language. In case of rental contract location's TB would make sense as well.

[zhangxifu 76]

12 hours ago, elviajero said:

13 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

? So your saying I can do a tm30 tomorrow as possessor (pay fine if required) obtain a receipt, then a week later I return for annual extension they want a tm30 completed by owner and the receipt I have is useless??

Where you file tm30 is separate from extension area. They either accept tm30 as possessor in person at CW or they do not. Which one?

Yes I believe that is entirely possible.

 

It’s still too early to know what CW want, when and by whom.

Every day imagining new things CW wants next week. That is not very helpful!

[zhangxifu 76]

9 hours ago, MeePeeMai said:

yea sure - Lease agreement, copy of landlord's Thai ID and a copy of landlord's House Book (Tabian ban) are all needed for a TM30 report (at my local Immigration Office).  Missing one or the other will result in a "mai dai"  ... makes sense to me.

Shouldn't that be the TB of location you are renting, not the TB the landlord is in.

[ThomasThBKK 4,547]

18 minutes ago, zhangxifu said:

For any contract to be lawful in Thailand it must contain copies of ID's and be written in thai language. In case of rental contract location's TB would make sense as well.

Absolute rubbish, contracts can be valid in whatever language the parties understand, id copies also have zero todo with validity of contracts.

The only restriction is that real estate contracts shall be in written form and they can't break the consumer protection laws/other laws.

 

[zhangxifu 76]

7 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

27 minutes ago, zhangxifu said:

For any contract to be lawful in Thailand it must contain copies of ID's and be written in thai language. In case of rental contract location's TB would make sense as well.

Absolute rubbish, contracts can be valid in whatever language the parties understand, id copies also have zero todo with validity of contracts.

The only restriction is that real estate contracts shall be in written form and they can't break the consumer protection laws/other laws.

Thailand has one official language and that is Thai. Sorry for anyone doing business with you.

[ThomasThBKK 4,547]

44 minutes ago, zhangxifu said:

Thailand has one official language and that is Thai. Sorry for anyone doing business with you.

Once again absolute rubbish. Hope no one does business with you.

 

http://www.thailandntr.com/en/trade-in-services/laws/organization/download/8?file=Law_TIS_10_EN.pdf

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Section 14 Whenever a document is executed in two versions, one in the Thai language, the other in another language, and there are discrepancies between the two versions, and it cannot be ascertained which version was intended to govern, the document executed in the Thai language shall govern.

 

 

 

A pure thai contract between a Thai and a Chinese/German whatever, who doesn't understand Thai would be invalid.

 

https://www.thaicontracts.com/ask/26-thai-contracts-content/39-does-a-contract-in-thailand-has-to-be-in-thai-language.html

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RATING

Under Thai contract law the parties to the contract must both have the same understanding of the terms of the agreement. This is essential for the contract to be valid. The wording in both languages must be confirm the intentions of the parties.

 

http://www.thailand-business-law-center.com/thailand-contracts/

Foreign language contracts simply get translated to Thai in case of going to court, like in every other normal country...

 

 

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In normal business law practice in Thailand, contracts require 2 competent witnesses. For acceptance by Thai court,Thailand contracts must either be originally drafted in Thai language or must be translated in Thai language.

 

 

Edited July 10, 2019 by ThomasThBKK

[AJBangkok 707]

I did my TM30 at Changwattana last week, I have my own condo but I saw that they were accepting TM30 forms with a rental contract ( in English ) as possessor. I also spoke to people who were doing it this way. You need to fill the TM30 out as possessor and include copies of your rental agreement, your TM6 card, and pages from your passport with your details, your visa, and your entry stamp. If you have had a previous extension then to be safe include that page as well. The dates you should use on the schedule are the date of your original entry as start date and the  Date your original entry was granted until as your end date. ( it doesn’t matter if you are still living there as the dates need to match your original entry stamp.

 

you need to pay 800 baht fine as well.

 

You will be at section B which is and absolute total zoo. The staff are completely overwhelmed and from what I experienced focused on getting them processed as fast as possible rather than anything else.

 

you will have a lot of time to chat with people as the line is huge and you see people with English rental agreements everywhere.

Edited July 10, 2019 by AJBangkok

[zhangxifu 76]

7 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

51 minutes ago, zhangxifu said:

Thailand has one official language and that is Thai. Sorry for anyone doing business with you.

Once again absolute rubbish. Hope no one does business with you.

 

http://www.thailandntr.com/en/trade-in-services/laws/organization/download/8?file=Law_TIS_10_EN.pdf

Quote

Section 14 Whenever a document is executed in two versions, one in the Thai language, the other in another language, and there are discrepancies between the two versions, and it cannot be ascertained which version was intended to govern, the document executed in the Thai language shall govern.

 

 

 

A pure thai contract between a Thai and a Chinese/German whatever, who doesn't understand Thai would be invalid.

 

https://www.thaicontracts.com/ask/26-thai-contracts-content/39-does-a-contract-in-thailand-has-to-be-in-thai-language.html

Quote

RATING

Under Thai contract law the parties to the contract must both have the same understanding of the terms of the agreement. This is essential for the contract to be valid. The wording in both languages must be confirm the intentions of the parties.

 

http://www.thailand-business-law-center.com/thailand-contracts/

Foreign language contracts simply get translated to Thai in case of going to court, like in every other normal country...

 

 

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In normal business law practice in Thailand, contracts require 2 competent witnesses. For acceptance by Thai court,Thailand contracts must either be originally drafted in Thai language or must be translated in Thai language.

 

 

Exactly what I said. In Thai. Stop spreading false information.

[zhangxifu 76]

1 hour ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Absolute rubbish, contracts can be valid in whatever language the parties understand, id copies also have zero todo with validity of contracts.

The only restriction is that real estate contracts shall be in written form and they can't break the consumer protection laws/other laws.

 

You probably bought a car without the ownership documents. No ID's or registration book needed. Right?

[ThomasThBKK 4,547]

You are not worth discussing with, you just make stuff up, should work at Thai Gov.

You either lack reading comprehension or you are malicous spreading false information here.

Edited July 10, 2019 by ThomasThBKK