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17 hours ago, Frotting said:

I am surprised that in this topic so far 4 pages, that nobody has mentioned the best known cure for Dengue; and it is free - yes free.  This treatment has been known about for centuries in Asai, but with the growth of Big Pharma, and the fact that they cannot patent natural plant compounds, and hence make shitloads of money, the treatment has been conveniently 'forgotten' about.  Forget the vaccine as it has not been properly tested and apart from being very new, is not guaranteed to work and likely has undesirable side effects.  So the best thing for Dengue is to actually get it, recognise the symptoms and then cure it yourself, and this is the way:

 

The initial symptoms will be pain in bones muscles and joints that don't appear to have a reason - i.e. you have not been lifting anything heavy or doing hard exercising the day before.  The pain can be anywhere but tends to the ribs and intercostal muscles.  After a while, the fever starts and listlessness (lack of energy) and very bad flu-like symptoms.  In the Carribean they call it 'break bone' fever - so this gives you an idea of the pain.  If you want to be even more sure it is Dengue, leave it for another 8 hours os so they you will get severe pain behind the eyes, right in your eye sockets, and at this stage you will not be able to get up and move.  So if you intend to treat Dengue you need to recognise the symptoms early and get onto it.

 

Find yourself a papaya tree that is fruiting.  The fruiting trees have more phytonutrients and therefore more of the compounds present that you want.  Take 3 or 4 leaves from halfway up the tree (not too young an not too old or they won't contain enough of the compounds).  Theke the leaves home and wash the dust off them in clean water, finally washing in clean drinking water.  Shake off the water and pat dry with kitchen paper.  Now take the leaves into the kitchen and with a sharp knife and chopping board, trim out all of the thick veins and hard parts of the leaves until you are left with the thin dark green leaf material.

 

Next you need a juicer.  The slower ones are the best as they don't get hot and destroy the enzymes and plant nutrients that you will need.  Juice the green leaf parts - cut them small first as they are tough and might stall your juicer.  Once done you will end up from 4 leaves with about 150ml of dark green juice.  Papaya leaf extract.  This is what you need for the Dengue fever.  It must be kept in the fridge in an airtight container and it only has an effective shelf life of around 3 days so you need to make it often in small batches.

 

Hopefully you have not let the disease progress to far before doing this.  Take 50ml of the green liquid.  A warning here, it tastes like faeces, so get it down quick and wash it down with some orange juice or something.  You will need to repeat this every 3 or 4 hours.  It is not a magic bullet so does not work instantly.  Within 10 to 15 hours, depending on how advanced the disease, you will feel relief and the symptoms will be much less, you can get up and walk around.  After 20 hours you should be 95% symptom free.  You now can revert to taking the liquid 4 times per day (50ml).  You can take more if you like, but I am not sure if it will clear the disease any quicker.

 

Now remember this.  The Papaya leaf extract does not kill the virus that causes Dengue.  It helps your immune system fight it and protects the red blood cells and platelets from destruction.  This means that even though you might feel better you must keep taking the extract for at least 2 weeks.  The virus actually has a short life span of 2 weeks and they all die off by attrition in 2 or 3 weeks.  You will notice that if you stop taking the extract before then the symptoms will come back quickly.  If you get this start taking the extract again until you know all the virus load has died off.

 

Now something about Dengue.  Firstly it attacks platelets - these are the cells that promote clotting of the blood.  So whatever you do, no matter how bad the pain, never, never take non-steroidal painkillers like Aspirin, as these thin the blood and you will bleed out.  Those people on heart medication that thin the blood (Warfarin, etc) - beware, you are the highest risk.  Get the papaya extract down you and stay off other medications with the exception of Vitamin C and Vitamin D.

 

Dengue fever if left alone has a low mortality rate in healthy people.  However, it has residual effects like damaging your organs like the liver and kidneys, and this is why you feel so bad for months afterwards even after the virus has gone.  The leaf extract prevents all of that.

 

There are 4 known strains of the virus, all with similar symptoms, but the worst one (which is rare in Thailand at the moment) is the Haemorrhagic for of Dengue.  You know when you have this, as apart from all the other symptoms you will bleed from the gums, nose and sometimes eyes, and of course internally as well.  This kind is usually fatal, but thankfully rare.  Recorded evidence suggests that having survived one strain of Dengue you cannot get it again for some time after due to natural immunity - but you CAN get another of the remaining 3 strains.  So difficult to immunise against all.

 

If you think the above is <deleted> - then fair play to you and go and suffer as is your choice.  But for those who like to listen, then I have written this for you.  I know a lot about Dengue, and other diseases, because I have studied natural and alternative medicine and know it works.  This is the way I cured Dengue in myself, and the way many of my indigenous friends have done so over the years in Malaysia and elsewhere.

 

You live in a pharmacy.  Every plant around you has a medicinal use, but you need to get to learn your land.  Take responsibility for your health and 'take back your power' from Big Pharma.

 

Only one problem I can see and that is this:  What if a tourist from say, the UK or USA, comes here and gets bitten, then goes home.  Dengue can take 10 days to incubate before you notice anything.  So they are back home and present symptoms that no local doctor will have a clue about.  Papaya trees do not grow in Europe.  A horrible thought.  So for those of us that live here, no problem, we can fix it.

 

I hope this has been of some use.  If you are worried, go and buy yourself a decent juicer - you can use it for other things too.

 

Your health.

 

 


Thanks Frotting for a very interesting post. I don't know if you have ever come across the use of the Sadao (I think that is the correct spelling here in Thailand)  or Neem tree in India and elsewhere for treating colonic problems like diverticulitis, as very few people I know have come across it. I was diagnosed with this problem after having a barium concoction injected and special x-ray tests when I was in my early 50's and was told by the specialist that there was no 'cure' for this and the probable outcome would be that I would end up having part of my colon removed (not a very pleasing thought). I did a lot of research and came across a vague reference to the use of the 'Neem tree' in treating this problem along with other colonic problems. I was able to buy neem capsules from a company in south Wales at very reasonable cost, some 5 pounds sterling for 50+ capsules. The recommended dose was 1 capsule 3 times a day, but as there were no known side effects I decided to dose myself and took 4 capsules 3 times a day for one month and then gradually reduced it each month until I was taking 1 capsule 3 times a day. After two months I was completely relieved of the excruciating pain I had been having on and off for over one year. I continued taking one capsule 3 times a day for 6 months and returned to see the specialist who I told the story to. He told me that it was all in my mind and was rubbish and when I offered to undergo the barium scan again he refused. My own Doctor was very open minded and when I told him about my experience he asked me for details to onpass to his patients - some 15 of these having identical symptoms to my previous self. One year later my Doctor told me that some 12 of his patients had tried the Neem treatment and 10 had told him that they were almost completely free of pain and the other 2 said that the pain was drastically reduced.

Here in Thailand the tree grows in profusion along the roadside and if you take the leaves and dry them you cam make an infusion with them in boiling water to drink, or you can crush the dried leaves and take them in dry form, even filling your own capsules. Makro used to sell empty capsules in there pharmacy department.

I am now 76 years old and have never had a recurrence of my previous problem; so much for the specialist telling me that it was 'all in my mind'.

Once again, thank  you for your very interesting information on treating Dengue Fever, I hope that our readers take note of it for future reference.   

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I used to spray up with 100% deet until I started to get severe headaches. When googled 'side effects of deet' it seems the US are the largest consumers of the product in its various guises and a result, 54 Americans die every year from the neural toxic effects from deet! shocking! - so be careful of this stuff! The products they sell in 7-11 etc, also contain deet but reduced to about 12% - still gives me a headache if I occasionally spray it on when I run out of my own home made repellent.

I have concocted my own repellent...made from citronella oil, lemon eucalyptus oil and lavender oil. It smells nice and works 100% providing you re-apply every 3 hrs or so. Its a real pain in the backside having to slap on the protection every time I venture outdoors...I'm quite lazy - but the thought of getting dengue frightens me - so I slap it all over -  every time!

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1 hour ago, cheshiremusicman said:


Thanks Frotting for a very interesting post. I don't know if you have ever come across the use of the Sadao (I think that is the correct spelling here in Thailand)  or Neem tree in India and elsewhere for treating colonic problems like diverticulitis, as very few people I know have come across it.

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Once again, thank  you for your very interesting information on treating Dengue Fever, I hope that our readers take note of it for future reference.   

Good post.

 

I mentioned neem earlier in the thread, but for use as a repellent. Ants, paticularly, do not like a neem covered surface. We use neem as a spray, especially if we are outside in the evening.

 

The actual neem tree is a mahogany, and is a very decorative wood. The Thais just cut them down for their wood value. Actually, i paid a farmer next to us not to cut one down.

 

The use of the leaves is very interesting. I'll certainly keep that logged in.

 

My own injestive protection comes from two sources (not counting neem as a preventative), first is rosella. First came across rosella in the Caribbean where I knew it as sorrel. Mrs Owl makes up a batch of 10 litres (or so) every week. Tastes great and is also good, as the taste weens the kids off cola and the like.

 

The other drink is Reishi mushroom. I was making a wine (blended with Lao Khow) but I now like the bitterness of the drink for itself, and have it neat about half litre a day. 

 

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On 7/11/2019 at 9:40 AM, unamazedloso said:

We shut all windows at about 4.30pm and open again about 8.30am. Never a mozzie in the house. All our neighbours have people come in and gas em out. I dont trust that personally and we have no dramas at all. Touch wood.... Our animals drinking water is changed daily and we have ponds that fill in rains and we pump it back to the fields immediately so dont have any stagnent water around.

So many people just chose to live outdoors at mozzie feeding times of sun up and sundown. Surely this behaviour if changed would limit the cases.

good against malaria, but ideal for the dengue vector aedes aegyptiae- they fly and hit during daylight hours ...

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Too lazy to read through 6 pages, so - if already written by someone else, just jump to the next post...

 

Most likely, all of those terrible experiences described here, are not the first exposure to Dengue:

 

Most people won’t even realize their first exposure to Dengue and consider it to be something like a light flu. The immune system of the body immediately starts to fight against the “intruders” and keeps them at bay.

 

However, there are different strains Dengue...

The effect of that is, if you are exposed again to Dengue, (simplified description...) the immune system categorizes also another strain as “already known, I have already antibodies against them”.

Unfortunately, those antibodies are quite ineffective against another strain. Therefore, the virus can spread and multiply nearly undisturbed, which leads to those “bone breaking” effects. Only in the very end, some protection mechanisms of the body kick in.

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6 hours ago, mikebell said:

about great swathes of Isaan

Are also bone dry and have severe drought problems, worse than any other parts of Thailand.

SE Isaan including Buriram, Yaso, Roi Et etc being amongst the worst of the worst, ie driest of the driest.

But then i've live in NE Isaan for 16 years and travelled the rest of the region extensively.

Best of luck with your book,

Regards,

TG

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19 hours ago, IslandLover said:

Dengue, Chikungunya and Zika virus in Spain now too - all being spread by the "Tiger" mosquito (Aedes aegypti) :sad:

 

Quote from Wikipedia: Although Aedes aegypti mosquitoes most commonly feed at dusk and dawn, indoors, in shady areas, or when the weather is cloudy, they can bite and spread infection all year long and at any time of day.

Sorry, a bit of misinformation here.  The "Tiger" mosquito is Aedes albopictus, not Aedes aegypti.  This is the one implicated in Dengue cases in Europe, including Spain.

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On 7/11/2019 at 7:13 AM, soalbundy said:

same here, if you have had dengue fever before the second attack is even more severe. An ex colleague of mine had dengue fever 3 times in Malaysia, the third time caused the doctors to completely renew his blood through blood transfers twice and he was on the point of death. He was told never to come to Asia again as the next bout of dengue fever would kill him so the firm pulled him back to Munich.

One needs toto be careful not to oversimplify.

It is not conclusively proven that subsequent infections are all more serious.

The problem is attributed to a "confused" immune response as Dengue has at least 4 different strains.

This also believed to be one of the main obstacles to devising an effective vaccine as it has to protect against all the different strains without a reaction to one or other.

 

There is also the other side of the coin where Dengue can be so mild that the person has no idea they even had it.

 

Prophylactics are the only way to protect oneself at present....clothing being the most effective and practical........ however I see acres of vulnerable farang skin everyday....... the need, dress like a Thai...

 

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we have screens as well. how many thai households just leave their front door open with mozzies going inside biting them. very stupid
I believe they think they don't get bitten. They have been bitten since they were babies and are immune to the bites. They think they can't get dengue because mosquitoes don't bite them and they leave water around without a care. Sadly it is the children who die. They should have TV awareness programs but soap operas and stopping people vaping is more important.

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On 7/11/2019 at 5:03 PM, Frotting said:

I am surprised that in this topic so far 4 pages, that nobody has mentioned the best known cure for Dengue; and it is free - yes free.  This treatment has been known about for centuries in Asai, but with the growth of Big Pharma, and the fact that they cannot patent natural plant compounds, and hence make shitloads of money, the treatment has been conveniently 'forgotten' about.  Forget the vaccine as it has not been properly tested and apart from being very new, is not guaranteed to work and likely has undesirable side effects.  So the best thing for Dengue is to actually get it, recognise the symptoms and then cure it yourself, and this is the way:

 

The initial symptoms will be pain in bones muscles and joints that don't appear to have a reason - i.e. you have not been lifting anything heavy or doing hard exercising the day before.  The pain can be anywhere but tends to the ribs and intercostal muscles.  After a while, the fever starts and listlessness (lack of energy) and very bad flu-like symptoms.  In the Carribean they call it 'break bone' fever - so this gives you an idea of the pain.  If you want to be even more sure it is Dengue, leave it for another 8 hours os so they you will get severe pain behind the eyes, right in your eye sockets, and at this stage you will not be able to get up and move.  So if you intend to treat Dengue you need to recognise the symptoms early and get onto it.

 

Find yourself a papaya tree that is fruiting.  The fruiting trees have more phytonutrients and therefore more of the compounds present that you want.  Take 3 or 4 leaves from halfway up the tree (not too young an not too old or they won't contain enough of the compounds).  Theke the leaves home and wash the dust off them in clean water, finally washing in clean drinking water.  Shake off the water and pat dry with kitchen paper.  Now take the leaves into the kitchen and with a sharp knife and chopping board, trim out all of the thick veins and hard parts of the leaves until you are left with the thin dark green leaf material.

 

Next you need a juicer.  The slower ones are the best as they don't get hot and destroy the enzymes and plant nutrients that you will need.  Juice the green leaf parts - cut them small first as they are tough and might stall your juicer.  Once done you will end up from 4 leaves with about 150ml of dark green juice.  Papaya leaf extract.  This is what you need for the Dengue fever.  It must be kept in the fridge in an airtight container and it only has an effective shelf life of around 3 days so you need to make it often in small batches.

 

Hopefully you have not let the disease progress to far before doing this.  Take 50ml of the green liquid.  A warning here, it tastes like faeces, so get it down quick and wash it down with some orange juice or something.  You will need to repeat this every 3 or 4 hours.  It is not a magic bullet so does not work instantly.  Within 10 to 15 hours, depending on how advanced the disease, you will feel relief and the symptoms will be much less, you can get up and walk around.  After 20 hours you should be 95% symptom free.  You now can revert to taking the liquid 4 times per day (50ml).  You can take more if you like, but I am not sure if it will clear the disease any quicker.

 

Now remember this.  The Papaya leaf extract does not kill the virus that causes Dengue.  It helps your immune system fight it and protects the red blood cells and platelets from destruction.  This means that even though you might feel better you must keep taking the extract for at least 2 weeks.  The virus actually has a short life span of 2 weeks and they all die off by attrition in 2 or 3 weeks.  You will notice that if you stop taking the extract before then the symptoms will come back quickly.  If you get this start taking the extract again until you know all the virus load has died off.

 

Now something about Dengue.  Firstly it attacks platelets - these are the cells that promote clotting of the blood.  So whatever you do, no matter how bad the pain, never, never take non-steroidal painkillers like Aspirin, as these thin the blood and you will bleed out.  Those people on heart medication that thin the blood (Warfarin, etc) - beware, you are the highest risk.  Get the papaya extract down you and stay off other medications with the exception of Vitamin C and Vitamin D.

 

Dengue fever if left alone has a low mortality rate in healthy people.  However, it has residual effects like damaging your organs like the liver and kidneys, and this is why you feel so bad for months afterwards even after the virus has gone.  The leaf extract prevents all of that.

 

There are 4 known strains of the virus, all with similar symptoms, but the worst one (which is rare in Thailand at the moment) is the Haemorrhagic for of Dengue.  You know when you have this, as apart from all the other symptoms you will bleed from the gums, nose and sometimes eyes, and of course internally as well.  This kind is usually fatal, but thankfully rare.  Recorded evidence suggests that having survived one strain of Dengue you cannot get it again for some time after due to natural immunity - but you CAN get another of the remaining 3 strains.  So difficult to immunise against all.

 

If you think the above is <deleted> - then fair play to you and go and suffer as is your choice.  But for those who like to listen, then I have written this for you.  I know a lot about Dengue, and other diseases, because I have studied natural and alternative medicine and know it works.  This is the way I cured Dengue in myself, and the way many of my indigenous friends have done so over the years in Malaysia and elsewhere.

 

You live in a pharmacy.  Every plant around you has a medicinal use, but you need to get to learn your land.  Take responsibility for your health and 'take back your power' from Big Pharma.

 

Only one problem I can see and that is this:  What if a tourist from say, the UK or USA, comes here and gets bitten, then goes home.  Dengue can take 10 days to incubate before you notice anything.  So they are back home and present symptoms that no local doctor will have a clue about.  Papaya trees do not grow in Europe.  A horrible thought.  So for those of us that live here, no problem, we can fix it.

 

I hope this has been of some use.  If you are worried, go and buy yourself a decent juicer - you can use it for other things too.

 

Your health.

 

 

All this pseudo-science has categorically been shown to be ineffective quackery.

There is no such thing as "alternative" medicine....if its proven tobe effective its called "medicine".

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10 hours ago, wilcopops said:

One needs toto be careful not to oversimplify.

It is not conclusively proven that subsequent infections are all more serious.

The problem is attributed to a "confused" immune response as Dengue has at least 4 different strains.

This also believed to be one of the main obstacles to devising an effective vaccine as it has to protect against all the different strains without a reaction to one or other.

 

There is also the other side of the coin where Dengue can be so mild that the person has no idea they even had it.

 

Prophylactics are the only way to protect oneself at present....clothing being the most effective and practical........ however I see acres of vulnerable farang skin everyday....... the need, dress like a Thai...

 

Full body Prophylactic. Should keep those pesky disease ridden mozzies at bay 😂 

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18 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Are also bone dry and have severe drought problems, worse than any other parts of Thailand.

SE Isaan including Buriram, Yaso, Roi Et etc being amongst the worst of the worst, ie driest of the driest.

But then i've live in NE Isaan for 16 years and travelled the rest of the region extensively.

Best of luck with your book,

Regards,

TG

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Wife and I got two different strains at the same time (2 and 4), and spent two weeks in the hospital. You can tell the Dengue mosquitoes (even if you can’t read their tail numbers) because the bites *hurt* and continue to do so for a while. The malaria mosquitoes are more of a nuisance than pain. 

 

Unless you you are in a bubble, covering up and repellent seem useless.  They bite through a puddle of DEET or jeans like it was nothing.  Best advice is to avoid communal bathrooms with standing water in or nearby, and places with a high concentration of people. Good luck with that...

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In normal use, DEET does not kill anyone.

Those who experience problems normally happen through improper use this includes drinking it!

Overapplication or stronger concentrations of DEET e.g. over 30% are no more effective.

DEET doesn't kill mozzies it makes it hard for them to land on their targeted body.

 

The aedes mozzie bite is no more or less painful than other mosquitoes. People react differently to the bites themselves.....this is unrelated to the transmission of Dengue.

Sone people who think they are never bitten simply don't react at all to mozzie bites

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On 7/12/2019 at 12:28 PM, Bert Jones said:

I used to spray up with 100% deet until I started to get severe headaches. When googled 'side effects of deet' it seems the US are the largest consumers of the product in its various guises and a result, 54 Americans die every year from the neural toxic effects from deet! shocking! - so be careful of this stuff! The products they sell in 7-11 etc, also contain deet but reduced to about 12% - still gives me a headache if I occasionally spray it on when I run out of my own home made repellent.

I have concocted my own repellent...made from citronella oil, lemon eucalyptus oil and lavender oil. It smells nice and works 100% providing you re-apply every 3 hrs or so. Its a real pain in the backside having to slap on the protection every time I venture outdoors...I'm quite lazy - but the thought of getting dengue frightens me - so I slap it all over -  every time!

It would be interesting if you would explain precisely how you make your own repellent. Do you buy the concentrates and where from? If it works for you, then I'm sure we'd all like to try it out.

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