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Thirteen year old "Big Bike" rider: Family pay compensation as other charges go to court

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2 hours ago, Happy Grumpy said:

At a certified training school. Honda Big Wing offer such courses. 

But not I think for a 13 year old riding a big bike.

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I agree with many comments above about the need to learn how to ride first.  In my younger days I raced motorcycles in sanctioned competitions with a license.  Started riding a dirt bike at 14 years old, at safe off road places with supervision.  Then I began to race, and I loved it!  I also taught new riders how to ride for Yamaha Motors Corp, which was a lot of fun.

 

If you want a high performance motorcycle, I think its great, I want another one myself.  But if you want to go fast and push your limits....take it to the racetrack on an open track day, or a club day.  Yes there is still risk of crashing and getting injured.  But a racetrack is much more safer, and fun.... City streets are not safe!

 

And if you are really that good....line up on a starting grid...

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Trained to ride a big bike. 

 

Well they should sue the trainer as clearly he didn't do a good job. Riding or driving at speed in a built up area with multiple road users is a simple no. I still remember my driving instructor many years ago. "Always show caution when in traffic". 

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8 hours ago, webfact said:

Earlier the parents said he had been trained in how to ride the bike.

Now you can train him on how to get through life in Thailand with one leg !!!

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8 hours ago, SS1 said:

"The family of a thirteen year old boy who caused a serious accident in Chiang Mai"

 

Are they serious? There is some idiot cutting sideways across the highway and is 100% in the wrong. Sure, a 13 year old shouldn't be riding a 1000cc in traffic and he was pretty fast too, but giving him 100% blame on the accident? Nodoby seems to be questioning "Suphalat" cutting across on central road markings, in the middle of a highway. 

 

A few weeks ago we had a small discussion in another topic, i also thought that crossing a central hatching is generally not allowed. But after researching this a bit, it looks like that this is actually only the case when overtaking. So you may not drive over the central hatching when overtaking somebody, but if you want to make a u-turn or turn into a soi, that's actually allowed.

 

It took the speeding motorbike 5 seconds, from overtaking the car until hitting the other bike. Maybe the other bike did even look before turning, but he didn't see the motorbike, just saw the car and thought he has time. I'm sure nobody here anticipates a motorbike approaching with 200km/h from behind any time when making a move on the highway.

 

Imho there is nothing really for which you can blame the turning motorcycle. The only parties which are to blame are the speeding driver (and his parents), and the Thai government for making such stupid road designs.

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I hope they charge the parents as well seeing they allowed him to ride it and had him trained when he is too young to have a licence and to ride legally. For some reason there are too many idiot parents that think due to the fact they have money they do not have to follow the laws, they need to be charged and get huge fines for knowing allow him to do it illegally

 

 

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7 hours ago, giddyup said:

If he wasn't travelling at a such a crazy speed he wouldn't have hit the motorbike crossing.  The guy crossing probably didn't even see him because he would have only been a dot on the horizon, so no way should he be blamed in any way.


Yeah don't get me wrong, I certainly don't approve of the kids' riding (or him riding at all in the first place). The accident could have also easily been avoided by being just a bit more careful. Legally speaking, he will also be in the wrong. 

My point is simply that the person cutting accross the highway is also breaking the law. As a fellow biker, these kinds of idiots really piss me off as they're big contributors to why the roads are so dangerous here. The road markings are there for a reason, which for most locals is something they'll never understand. 
 

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

A few weeks ago we had a small discussion in another topic, i also thought that crossing a central hatching is generally not allowed. But after researching this a bit, it looks like that this is actually only the case when overtaking. So you may not drive over the central hatching when overtaking somebody, but if you want to make a u-turn or turn into a soi, that's actually allowed.

 

It took the speeding motorbike 5 seconds, from overtaking the car until hitting the other bike. Maybe the other bike did even look before turning, but he didn't see the motorbike, just saw the car and thought he has time. I'm sure nobody here anticipates a motorbike approaching with 200km/h from behind any time when making a move on the highway.

 

Imho there is nothing really for which you can blame the turning motorcycle. The only parties which are to blame are the speeding driver (and his parents), and the Thai government for making such stupid road designs.

Do you have any source for this, or perhaps a section number in the traffic law? Genuinely curious and this would explain a lot. I've also seen many roads that have double yellow lines in the middle, but then one of these boxes with an X in the middle (whatever they're called) indicating that traffic should stop to let people turn. So these together don't really add up.. 

This one doesn't have the box but for example below from yesterday, had to slam the brakes hard! Are you saying that turning over this is legally allowed? 

 

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2 minutes ago, SS1 said:

Do you have any source for this, or perhaps a section number in the traffic law? Genuinely curious and this would explain a lot. 

Laws usually say what is forbidden and not what is allowed. As i said, before i also expected this to be forbidden, but another poster said it's not.

So i had a look in the Traffic Act and couldn't find anything which actually says that turning across it is forbidden, so it looks like that it's allowed.

I can of course not quote something which doesn't exist.

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1 minute ago, jackdd said:

Laws usually say what is forbidden and not what is allowed. As i said, before i also expected this to be forbidden, but another poster said it's not.

So i had a look in the Traffic Act and couldn't find anything which actually says that turning across it is forbidden, so it looks like that it's allowed.

I can of course not quote something which doesn't exist.

I had a quick look, I think this one. I'm not sure if the term "safety zone" refers to those double striped yellows though. image.png.7d32713a30f790e42ba5cfb152bf02db.png

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15 minutes ago, SS1 said:

I had a quick look, I think this one. I'm not sure if the term "safety zone" refers to those double striped yellows though. image.png.7d32713a30f790e42ba5cfb152bf02db.png

I also don't know if the central hatching is a "safety zone", but even if it is, this just makes u-turns (turning around) across them illegal, it would still be allowed to cross them when turning into a soi or driveway, unless you can find another paragraph for this.

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10 hours ago, SS1 said:

"The family of a thirteen year old boy who caused a serious accident in Chiang Mai"

 

Are they serious? There is some idiot cutting sideways across the highway and is 100% in the wrong. Sure, a 13 year old shouldn't be riding a 1000cc in traffic and he was pretty fast too, but giving him 100% blame on the accident? Nodoby seems to be questioning "Suphalat" cutting across on central road markings, in the middle of a highway. 

 

It said waiting, not crossing the lines, thus case is over and done, the stupid irresponsible parenting  beggars belief they claim having big bike training, lock them up for a bit, set an example they condoned the youth riding about breaking the law daily, it stinks of many thais i know who as long  as the children are not under there feet they care not

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10 hours ago, scorecard said:

Plus suely there should be a step by step progression from scooter up to big bike.

There is 10 years old for a scooter and 13 for a big bike

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4 hours ago, jonclark said:

Trained to ride a big bike. 

 

Well they should sue the trainer as clearly he didn't do a good job. Riding or driving at speed in a built up area with multiple road users is a simple no. I still remember my driving instructor many years ago. "Always show caution when in traffic". 

Caution over here 555

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9 hours ago, SS1 said:
9 hours ago, jackdd said:

Laws usually say what is forbidden and not what is allowed. As i said, before i also expected this to be forbidden, but another poster said it's not.

So i had a look in the Traffic Act and couldn't find anything which actually says that turning across it is forbidden, so it looks like that it's allowed.

I can of course not quote something which doesn't exist.

I had a quick look, I think this one. I'm not sure if the term "safety zone" refers to those double striped yellows though. image.png.7d32713a30f790e42ba5cfb152bf02db.png

You can always visit any DLT to learn about the traffic signs and rules. Usually they are happy to help.

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