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Britain says Iran attempted to block its oil tanker

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12 hours ago, car720 said:

what will happen to all these folks if the world no longer needs oil?

Could be the cause of a lot of friction.

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8 hours ago, jany123 said:

“.... but we will continue to force our ships thru Iranian territorial waters, under military escort, with complete disregard for regional stability.”

as it always was.

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Diplomacy and abiding by previously negotiated deals might be an alternative.


Iran’s diplomacy is limited to delay and distract, and they never abided the previously negotiated deal.
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12 hours ago, car720 said:

what will happen to all these folks if the world no longer needs oil?

 

 Not if , but when , asap .

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On 7/11/2019 at 10:36 PM, baboon said:

Nice Brexit distraction, but I hope that after the Iraq fiasco, the British will not be fooled again by those ready and willing to fight to the last drop of other people's blood to secure right-wing American interests.

Probably a forlorn hope, mind you. I suppose we will continue to pose and grandstand on the world stage as though we matter that much in the grand scheme of things.

 

       Nice Brexit distraction , more on the way 

       UK , must remain united , blah blah ...

 

 

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4 hours ago, jany123 said:

C’mon... the three Iranian boats might as well have been canoes, compared to a British naval frigate. 

 

And... A British naval frigate just doesn’t appear magically... it was there already.

 

sure... a misrepresentation.. just as is trying to maintain (the new axis of evil... not you) that the Iranian interception of a British vessel was actually ever going to happen.... was ever actually a thing.

 

speak truth to truth... speak BS to BS

 

 

What's interesting about many a Trump ardent opposer is how they embrace the President's penchant for catchy, if fact-light catchphrases and descriptions, while having little time for detail.

 

May want to read a bit on Iran's naval forces. Or how small missile boats fare against larger targets (and especially threat represented to civilian vessels). Canoes they are not.

 

Nothing said about the frigate appearing magically, other than by yourself. It was definitely in the area, but as far as I understand it wasn't right along the tanker all along.

 

You keep claiming there was no interception - anything whatsoever to support this? Was the Iranian threats just on par with Trump's, then?

 

As for your last line - I'd rather try truth to BS, useless as it may be.

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4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Diplomacy and abiding by previously negotiated deals might be an alternative.

 

Yes. It's quite amazing people forget how and why the JCPOA (which, yes, the Trump administration bailed out of) came about, or how Iran played it then. Guess abiding by "previously negotiated deals" includes only what fits the agenda.

 

Diplomacy being an alternative would apply to Iran's latest action as well. Blocking the Strait of Hormuz is not very diplomatic.

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4 hours ago, jany123 said:

 

 

as you are oft want to point out... I did not make the claim that your response/questions of me suggest

 

if BP is truly interested in the security of its crews, it would not send its crews into a disputed waterway during increased tensions between various nations, one of whom is regional, and the others which are far from home, in the formers front yard.

 

US economic terrorism directed at Iran is responsible for the increased tension and destabilization of regional security.... British war ships in the region, also heighten tensions, and add to destabilization of regional security (esp after seizing the grace)

 

But... as to your question about what would potentially reduce regional tension and improve stability... The US returning to the non proliferation agreement would probably be the most effective way to achieve that (as the simplest of a bunch of really hard solutions) ... and I know that you know that this is my position vs any action by Iran itself

 

You made up a bogus comment. Now you're whining about it not being fairly addressed. Whatever.

 

As for the rest of your high spirited post -

 

Tensions running high in the ME is pretty much a constant. If it wasn't this, than it would be that. Maybe more to Iran's favor or liking, but tensions all the same. Even if you want to make the USA the sole factor here, it would be hard to see how Iran's "responses" help to calm things down. If anything, they appear happy enough to fan the flames up to a point, then back up until the next instance.

 

British "war ships" were in the region before the Grace 1 was seized. And had they not been there and a British tanker would have been seized "in response", things would have been much worse relative to the current OP's outcome.

 

And I did not actually ask a "question about what would potentially reduce regional tensions and improve stability". I commented that Iran's actions weren't helpful either, in response to your made up "quote". Not really sure what you meant by "this is my position vs. any action by Iran itself", sorry.

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5 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

From a totalitarian regime that imprisons foreign nationals on a whim and publicly hangs homosexuals from crane jibs, I guess the UK was expecting "games to be played". Especially as this regime likes to huff and puff and threaten everyone.

 

Their comic pantomime, I suspect, is a diversion, while they continue funding terrorism against the West and regional allies, and seek ways to undermine and destroy Israel.

If Only Iraq had been as stable/wise as iran,but no it took uncle Sam's money/arms only later to fire them back at US/UK and and some others,fast forward 10 /20 years and Isis do the same,does the US ever get it right? Answer = not very often,and that's when they had presidents with half a brain.

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26 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You made up a bogus comment. Now you're whining about it not being fairly addressed. Whatever.

 

As for the rest of your high spirited post -

 

Tensions running high in the ME is pretty much a constant. If it wasn't this, than it would be that. Maybe more to Iran's favor or liking, but tensions all the same. Even if you want to make the USA the sole factor here, it would be hard to see how Iran's "responses" help to calm things down. If anything, they appear happy enough to fan the flames up to a point, then back up until the next instance.

 

British "war ships" were in the region before the Grace 1 was seized. And had they not been there and a British tanker would have been seized "in response", things would have been much worse relative to the current OP's outcome.

 

And I did not actually ask a "question about what would potentially reduce regional tensions and improve stability". I commented that Iran's actions weren't helpful either, in response to your made up "quote". Not really sure what you meant by "this is my position vs. any action by Iran itself", sorry.

What bogus statement did I make up? how was I whining? 

 

As to your claims about regional tensions being a constant... you must have missed the universal reporting about increased tensions and instability in the region arising from the trumps withdrawal from the non proliferation deal

 

you would have to be naive to believe Iran would not respond to provocation in some way... call their response whatever, I don’t care. Me, I call it expected.

 

Did I claim that British warships where not in the area prior to last week?... no I did not.

 

As to you not asking a question....

6 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Whereas Iran blocking the Strait of Hormuz will do wonders for regional stability? Or World economy?

Looks like there’s actually two questions there... but yes... clever... I replied

4 hours ago, jany123 said:

But... as to your question about what would potentially reduce regional tension and improve stability....

My mistake.

 

and what I meant by the comment lastly in your post was that my position is, and has always been, that America should return to the conditions of the pact vs Iran having to do anything. We have had this discussion before.

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