eyecatcher Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I see those jets every day and a few years back there was always 3. It reduced to 2 for at least a year but in the last month there has been 4 flying which is a first. I suspected it was new intake of trainees, but as for training thry just take off, circle a few times and land. They certainly arent tornadoes flying at 100ft through the lake district. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieAus Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Brickbat said: Huge Govt surplus and shitty eastern bloc planes! Wing 41 in the heart of CM. I see them whizzing around , planes and helicopters, quite often from my balcony. Let’s hope they get their damn act together. RIP to the pilot. It’s a long time since what is now the Czech Republic was part of the Eastern Bloc, but don’t let that get in the way of a spot of Thai bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickbat Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, StevieAus said: It’s a long time since what is now the Czech Republic was part of the Eastern Bloc, but don’t let that get in the way of a spot of Thai bashing. True. I regret saying that. I felt for the dead pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Funny as I was on my way to 90 day check in yesterday' looked up, saw 2 of them flying and had the feeling they are so old one probably will crash. Just had that feeling and it actually happened. No joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brickbat Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, madmen said: What a remarkably dumb thing to say because first world jets "whizz around" without incident ? https://www.npr.org/2019/04/10/711693546/pieces-of-missing-japanese-f-35-fighter-jet-found-pilot-still-missing-after-cras Unit cost: F-35A: $89.2M Yes, was dumb. And not remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropposurfer Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 RIP mate. Hope it came quick for you. what the <deleted>! A military aircraft base on a civilian airport! yeah yeah I know there are precedents on the globe for this. myst have a p-poor budget to not have a military strip of their own?! refurbish one of the old US Vietnam war bases across the north maybe?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Been flying over Hang Dong in three's and four's for a week or more lately but used to seeing them down the years and the L39 has a pretty good safety record. Something went wrong and knowing this country as we do i doubt we will ever learn the truth, which is always served up in very short measure owing to the dreaded 'Loss of Face' disorder. RIP the Instructor and Condolencies to his Family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOZMO Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 American aircraft including air force trainers are equipted with a 0 feet ejection seat, meaning you can eject from the ground and still have enough altitude for your chute to open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go4it Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 For those who think this is a worthless plane check here who’s using them for aerobatics https://www.breitling.com/th-en/partnerships/breitling-jet-team/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 minute ago, go4it said: For those who think this is a worthless plane check here who’s using them for aerobatics https://www.breitling.com/th-en/partnerships/breitling-jet-team/ But who maintains them....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 4 hours ago, cardinalblue said: What does “when the altitude is too low” mean? i wonder if he ejected at all? The trainees are suppose to be making the mistakes not the instructors... interested to hear their final conversation....a critical mistake was made somewhere in the final minutes In answer to your post #1 too low means the ejector seat is deployed but not enough altitude is available to open the parachute thus allowing a reduction of speed upon landing. #2 it's easy to determine if an ejector seat has been deployed, who said a mistake was made? #3 Maybe there was a critical aircraft failure, not necessarily a mistake by either trainee or instructor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieOnTour Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 4 hours ago, sammieuk1 said: Have seen a couple of these mosquitos buzzing around for the last few days unfortunately every landing aircraft passes directly over my house at 2-300ft not a problem I'm well used to aircraft noise having lived for decades on the RAF Lyneham flight path but this is a little more concerning having come down only seconds away from me and the inner-city airport it was heading for and not the first time seam to remember one last year also it maybe time to move the military out of CM airport for the publics safety to somewhere more remote to do their future crashing ????RIP move the military out ??? 555 - commercial airport is on army/air force area... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 4 hours ago, sammieuk1 said: every landing aircraft passes directly over my house at 2-300ft not a problem I'm well used t Not a healthy way and area to live with all that kerosene gas pollution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Obviously there some aircraft problem or failure.....doesn’t mean you accept death... the findings will show whether response time was timely or not... and living in a 3rd world country, the true findings probably won’t be made public especially if human error was involved ...face saving esp with a military death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Seen those aeroplanes close up , a few meters away , they looked very old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 18 hours ago, NCC1701A said: except, you know, like this video and photos and a bunch of stuff on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter. Like rescue workers and authorized personnel, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 18 hours ago, eyecatcher said: No-one has been allowed to go near the crash site..... Thats some telephoto lens on that phone camera then? EMS workers at the scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggo Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 5 hours ago, cardinalblue said: What does “when the altitude is too low” mean? i wonder if he ejected at all? The trainees are suppose to be making the mistakes not the instructors... interested to hear their final conversation....a critical mistake was made somewhere in the final minutes l should think did not a Martin Baker zero zero seat fitted in such a old aircraft.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Weird Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 6 hours ago, cardinalblue said: What does “when the altitude is too low” mean? Probably means the plane was too low, what else could it mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarda Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 6 hours ago, Brickbat said: Huge Govt surplus and shitty eastern bloc planes! Wing 41 in the heart of CM. I see them whizzing around , planes and helicopters, quite often from my balcony. Let’s hope they get their damn act together. RIP to the pilot. L39 Albatros is one of the best jet trainers in the world, nowhere being " shitty". Better than most but shit happens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 6 hours ago, sammieuk1 said: Have seen a couple of these mosquitos buzzing around for the last few days unfortunately every landing aircraft passes directly over my house at 2-300ft not a problem I'm well used to aircraft noise having lived for decades on the RAF Lyneham flight path but this is a little more concerning having come down only seconds away from me and the inner-city airport it was heading for and not the first time seam to remember one last year also it maybe time to move the military out of CM airport for the publics safety to somewhere more remote to do their future crashing ????RIP I believe CM airport is actually on the airforce base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee4Life Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 5 hours ago, TheFishman1 said: altitude means the height from the ground if you use ejection at a very low altitude you have a serious problem from the article can’t say what when wrong. You are correct, it doesn't say what went wrong, but it takes time for the ejection seat parachutes to deploy, ejection too close to the ground may mean that the parachutes on the ejection seat didn't have time to deploy. (oops...my apologies, didn't see the earlier post already stating that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawrenceN Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Mrs. LawrenceN is in a chat group with the mother of the deceased who was told her son stayed with the plane to steer it away from houses, to avoid loss of life. By the time he was clear of the populated area, it was too late to eject safely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
off road pat Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 14 hours ago, RichardColeman said: Sorry, but the way it is written sounds like a Thai coach driver doing a runner ! "An RTAF source said that the survivor was the first to eject from the dropping aircraft, and the instructor ejected when the altitude was too low" The Instructor most probably was trying to get the air-plane away from the town or villages and to crash at a safer place !!! R.I.P. ...RESPECT !!! A courageous man !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmen Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 American aircraft including air force trainers are equipted with a 0 feet ejection seat, meaning you can eject from the ground and still have enough altitude for your chute to open.Not if you are nose down trying to eject at 1 foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhill Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 8 hours ago, DavoTheGun said: The L39 has had a very good safety record, in fact is a very good training AC, one of the best, but things happen! But they need proper maintenance - not a strong feature of life in Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat Tom Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 13 hours ago, cardinalblue said: What does “when the altitude is too low” mean? i wonder if he ejected at all? The trainees are suppose to be making the mistakes not the instructors... interested to hear their final conversation....a critical mistake was made somewhere in the final minutes Some injection seat in aircraft are not "Zero" seats allowing one to eject even while the plane is on the ground. So, if one ejects at an altitude that is too low, your chances are not good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Expat Tom said: Some injection seat in aircraft are not "Zero" seats allowing one to eject even while the plane is on the ground. So, if one ejects at an altitude that is too low, your chances are not good! Exactly. Older seats did not have enough charge to push the seat high enough to work properly so a certain amount of aircraft height was required for a successful ejection. I used to be an aircraft engineer and your life depended on knowing which pins should be where before entering the cockpit, extremely dangerous equipment ejection seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mukdahanman Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 7:51 AM, cardinalblue said: interested to hear their final conversation... “What does this button do” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emptypockets Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 12:03 PM, KOZMO said: American aircraft including air force trainers are equipted with a 0 feet ejection seat, meaning you can eject from the ground and still have enough altitude for your chute to open. Even if you are upside down? I'd humbly suggest that aircraft speed attitude, altitude and other factors maybe other factors for consideration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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