holy cow cm Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, stinkerbell said: Yes, the U.S. is within their rights to deport him however unfair it seems especially for the nonviolent nature of his crime, so we are just trying to help make the transition easier for him when the time comes. If he is remotely religious it might be he can hook up with a church or an NGO group who can help him find his way. Temples I don't think so, but there are some volunteer organizations he may be able to fit into to get his feet on the ground. Now he doesn't speak any Thai? Big problem and even then so as Issan is a different language and different type of Thai people as well. In the end he will be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Date Masamune Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 It has been going on since well before this Orange man-child got into office BUT the frequent problem.“Never bothered to get naturalized”Imagine a Long Beach raised American other than a bit of paper barely speaking conversational Khmer deported to Cambodia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 20 hours ago, stinkerbell said: Is there available assistance for him to help get him set up there? As much as there is for any Thai citizen. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, stinkerbell said: if they are getting him a Thai passport or what. Will try to find out. ... just read further that he is in a "detention center" comment removed Edited July 13, 2019 by Skallywag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meand Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 He has got to start learning Thai asap. Does he speak no Thai? He is essentially going to be a foreigner here no matter how many times he tells people he is "Thai". Once he tells them he is Thai in Thai, things are going to get a lot easier for him. Myself I would focus the vast majority of my efforts on learning the language and proper pronunciations etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Uptooyoo said: So he's 45 years old. Culturally he's an American; the same as taking any American who's never been to Thailand and just droppin' him in to fend for himself. He'll never make it, without help. Very little english is spoken here. A life of poverty awaits. He could always get a job teaching english or working in Boystown. 45 is young, it is mentioned that he will be provided with some money. If US deports him to Thailand, this is where he will live and work Edited July 13, 2019 by Skallywag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkerbell Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, lopburi3 said: Might contact her former husband if still alive as he might have some information to share and believe you mentioned a sister and why would she have the same problem if born in USA (or are you saying both were born in Thailand and traveled with mother)? If appeal possible would go that route first as this surely ranks as cruel if not unusual punishment after 40 years stay (even for the current crowd in DC). I never got the full story on the kids' dad but long gone. Nobody talks about it. Yes he has a sister also born in Thailand. Both came to the U.S. as military dependents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkerbell Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 Saw him today and for some reason he is concerned that they would put him in a Thai jail when he got there. I have no idea why that would be as he has done nothing wrong in Thailand. Does anyone know if that's a serious possibility? As far as I have seen on the internet is that different countries do different things with regards to deportees. My guess is that they would just cut him loose at the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 It he has an unserved jail sentence expect it could be an exchange of prisoners and jail time possible but am not an authority on such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkerbell Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, meand said: He has got to start learning Thai asap. Does he speak no Thai? He is essentially going to be a foreigner here no matter how many times he tells people he is "Thai". Once he tells them he is Thai in Thai, things are going to get a lot easier for him. Myself I would focus the vast majority of my efforts on learning the language and proper pronunciations etc. Maybe a few words but essentially none. Am hopeful that he can pick it up quickly. His American stepdad speaks more Thai than he does from being stationed there and from being married to a Thai for many years. You should have seen the look on a Thai taxi driver's face when he referred to Trump as bo ba ba lo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkerbell Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, lopburi3 said: It he has an unserved jail sentence expect it could be an exchange of prisoners and jail time possible but am not an authority on such. He served his full sentence and ICE picked him up when he was released. He has now been in detention longer than he was in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, stinkerbell said: I never got the full story on the kids' dad but long gone. Nobody talks about it. Yes he has a sister also born in Thailand. Both came to the U.S. as military dependents. I was thinking of the stepdad that brought them to USA and expect lived with them for an extended period before divorce. During that time period there may have been contact with family, even if not with children's birth father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 21 hours ago, stinkerbell said: and he never bothered to get naturalized 21 hours ago, stinkerbell said: He got into some trouble with the law (no violent crime) Sounds rather like he is a victim of his own deliberate misdeeds and you should not worry about him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaanbiker Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, Skallywag said: He could always get a job teaching english or working in Boystown. 45 is young, it is mentioned that he will be provided with some money. If US deports him to Thailand, this is where he will live and work How could he start teaching? Oh, I get it, he's lived in America. Have you heard about the criminal background checks that have started for teachers? But how do you apply for a job, if you don't even have a passport? I was just wondering what any Thai members here might think, after reading your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Orton Rd said: Cambodians have been sent back there from the USA for years, it's not just Thais So much for American humanity, empathy and compassion Sending a person with no language skills to a country they have no connection with, sounds like the work of the Australian government 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanmyintmaung Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 3 hours ago, mtls2005 said: I guess I'd be surprised if this person could be deported to Thailand without the approval of the Thai government/MFA, and their representatives in Washington, DC? I mean the U.S. isn't like Thailand, smuggling ~ 100 Uighers back to China ziptied to the seats with black bags over their heads. The US has imposed sanctions on many countries that refused to take back its citizen deportees. Thailand will not dare to say no to take back deportees from US. Myanmar and Laos hit with visa sanctions in 2018. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2018/07/11/Myanmar-Laos-hit-with-visa-sanctions-for-rejecting-deportees-from-US/9921531361305/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaanbiker Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said: So much for American humanity, empathy and compassion Sending a person with no language skills to a country they have no connection with, sounds like the work of the Australian government Or the British government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, stinkerbell said: Saw him today and for some reason he is concerned that they would put him in a Thai jail when he got there. I wonder why he thinks this? I would hope that the Thai Army would not prosecute him for avoiding the draft/conscription? And that the Thai government has agreed to take him back. How long has he been in the detention center? Has he had his hearing? What are the next steps? Has his return been scheduled? It sounds like everyone has given up hope of him being able to stay in the U.S.? I would consult an immigration attorney ASAP, but clearly there is much unknown here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Orton Rd Posted July 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said: So much for American humanity, empathy and compassion Sending a person with no language skills to a country they have no connection with, sounds like the work of the Australian government Compassion and empathy with criminals and gang members? I don't think so, serve them right. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said: Or the British government? I think Peter Dutton the former Immigration Minister perfected inhumane treatment supported by the now Prime Minister. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieAus Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 7 hours ago, lamyai3 said: This sounds horrendous. Is there anything more that could be done from the US end of things, such as to initiate naturalization or adoption proceedings (if his stepfather is willing) and to lobby on his behalf there? Are there legal precedents where similar cases are overturned, and does he have US legal representation? Throwing a non-speaker onto the streets in Thailand without even an ID card is close to barbaric, if he doesn't have someone this end to give him food and shelter for the first few months at least. That was my thought, the same thing has happened in Australia where people who do not hold citizenship, particularly from NZ and have committed serious crimes have been deported. There are as Joe stated appeal processes which I would have thought would be the first avenue to explore, plus there are elected representatives in government who could be approached for assistance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Orton Rd Posted July 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2019 No country should have to keep criminals and gangsters, of course they all have a sob story when they get chucked out, cry me a river! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevieAus Posted July 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said: I think Peter Dutton the former Immigration Minister perfected inhumane treatment supported by the now Prime Minister. I suppose you would prefer the same situation as has happened in Europe and the consequences that followed. If you feel so strongly about it you can always sponsor some of the individuals concerned, I won’t hold my breath though. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onera1961 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Orton Rd said: Cambodians have been sent back there from the USA for years, it's not just Thais I think the Cambodians migrated with asylum status to the USA. People who went through the process and got the residency, they were not sent back. It is only the people who did not take the initiatives to go through the process and whose asylum status were rejected, they were sent back. Of course, some children (now grown ups) were caught in this limbo state as they did not know their statuses and never bother to find out and legitimize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Orton Rd said: No country should have to keep criminals and gangsters, of course they all have a sob story when they get chucked out, cry me a river! In a sense I have no sympathy for this guy as he was stealing cars which is rather severe. He should have educated himself to stay on the proper side of the law and now he wants to remorse. Sorry. If I do something here and jail time in Thailand, I am deported. We are all responsible for our actions. But do wish them well as putting their lives back together as I am not totally insensitive. The city of Stockton is a mess from kids like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, StevieAus said: I suppose you would prefer the same situation as has happened in Europe and the consequences that followed. If you feel so strongly about it you can always sponsor some of the individuals concerned, I won’t hold my breath though. Oh please feel free to hold your breath ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennb6 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 tell him to go the mexican border and hoof it north - seems to work for 1000s every day /snark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJack Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) Whether America, Thailand or any other nation, immigration has become a major issue. Don't expect compassion from your host country. Complying with the rules, even if the host country changes them is the aliens responsible. The days of an "open door policy", regardless of circumstances are over. This just life today. It's a hard world. If you are deported from Thailand for failing to meet the rules, to the USA for example, nobody in the USA is going to help. Even if you are 80 years old. Life is not easy. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cities-brace-ice-deportation-raids-trump-threats-spread/story?id=64268222 Edited July 13, 2019 by CaptainJack Additional information 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Old Croc Posted July 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2019 The guy's in his mid forties and committing crimes serious enough for jail time and deportation. He's not a silly kid getting in trouble with the law. At that age most people have family and work career. He seems to be some sort of long term criminal, I'm guessing an involvement with drugs. As a non-citizen he placed himself in jeopardy by giving the authorities an excuse to export a problem. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigginhill Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 There was a famous rapper in America, can't remember his name, who it was discovered was infact British. His mum has brought him over when he was about 7, I think. It was all over the papers for days. Anyone know how he sorted hia situation out? Because all went quiet about him. Ia there away to use that information to help the lad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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