Help for Thai national being deported from US after 40 years

[Old Croc]

3 minutes ago, bigginhill said:

There was a famous rapper in America, can't remember his name, who it was discovered was infact British. His mum has brought him over when he was about 7, I think. 

It was all over the papers for days. 

Anyone know how he sorted hia situation out? Because all went quiet about him. 

Ia there away to use that information to help the lad?

21 Savage. His case was different, he was illegal. He's released pending residence application.  Money and celebrity works in the US

[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, FredGallaher said:

So it was grand theft auto that got him. Best to keep you car locked up safe when he is sent back. Stockton has a fair share of SEA gangs. 

No. The guy in the video. Watch the video. For the person of subject matter it is undisclosed. 

[Sheryl]

Of course he will try to find some odd jobs and is a hard worker.

Other problem is that he is diabetic and will need to get his medicines right away.

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For this, he needs to get Thai ID card and be listed in a a tabian ban (house registration). In that order as have to be able to prove he is a Thai citizen to be listed in a blue Tabian Ban.

With that he can access free government health care.

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[Sheryl]

This does not sound right. If the person entered USA legally and staying on a resident permit (green card), he cannot be arbitrarily deported for a crime. Did he seek the help of a lawyer in the USA? As per as staying illegally (after a legal entry), yes he can be deported for a crime. A person who has stayed for 40-year, it is very rare and only a recent phenomenon. 

Any non citizen convicted of a crime can be deported and it has become very common.

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[sawadee1947]

The best advice to him would be to freshen up his Thai language abilities. 

And because of his law problems he would fit perfectly in a cheating and fleecing society. 

[holy cow cm]

23 minutes ago, FredGallaher said:

Please post a link to video. 

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[berybert]

Can  you deport someone to a country they have no passport for ? Surely Thailand will send him straight back.

 

[Oliver Holzerfilled]

4 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

Or the British government? 

 

4 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

So much for American humanity, empathy and compassion...sounds like the work of the Australian government

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

Or the British government? 

Or the Canadian government.

[RJRS1301]

4 minutes ago, berybert said:

Can  you deport someone to a country they have no passport for ? Surely Thailand will send him straight back.

 

Emergency travel documents issued all the time

 

[berybert]

3 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Emergency travel documents issued all the time

 

Well lets hope he can show 20,000 baht or he has no chance.

 

[RJRS1301]

11 minutes ago, berybert said:

Well lets hope he can show 20,000 baht or he has no chance.

 

Once they allow him to be deported to their country, they have to let him in, he is coming as a person born here, not a tourist

 

[Mick501]

Usual solution seems to be to get backing by a pro bono activist lawyer and drag out the process a few years exhausting all appeal avenues.  Maybe he can show some kind of overt redemption/rehabilitation in that time to assist his cause, or at least have some time to prepare for his new reality.

[lopburi3]

3 minutes ago, FredGallaher said:

Refers to Cambodian. This is a different case.

That was the point, the theft auto was about that case I suspect (did not view it) - not OP here, which we do not know what the crime was.

[Elkski]

I think USA  needs to become  as hard on thais and all visa overstayers as Thailand has done.    Thai people are not refugees or asylum seekers. 

[Arkady]

10 hours ago, jackdd said:

He has to be registered in a house book, and then there is a specific government hospital responsible for this area where he can get free treatment.

Treatment in any other government hospital is only free for Thais if it's an emergency.

I think it can cause complications if he registers in a house book other than where he is actually living but there may be a way to register at a hospital in another location. If he manages to get a job, he will be in a different system, the Social Security system, which allows you to register with a private hospital in your area to be paid for by Social Security.  My maid, who is also diabetic, is in the Social Security system and seems satisfied with the treatment she receives.  My father-in-law was also diabetic and received what seemed to be adequate treatment from a government hospital.  So either way, he will be able to get free treatment for his diabetes, once he is registered.

[IAMHERE]

You relative is still in the USA his best bet is to find an Immigration Lawyer, a lawyer that specializes in immigration cases. Do this between now and tomorrow.

Oh, perhaps move to a 'sanctuary city' in mean time. 

 

Edited July 13, 2019 by IAMHERE
sanctuary city

[JimmyTheMook]

14 minutes ago, Elkski said:

I think USA  needs to become  as hard on thais and all visa overstayers as Thailand has done.    Thai people are not refugees or asylum seekers. 

 

Same goes for them working in the Thai restaurants on expired student visas.

 

We jump thru hoops to stay here - should be same same

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

Just now, Arkady said:

So either way, he will be able to get free treatment for his diabetes, once he is registered.

True, but getting registered as a Thai may be his big problem. He sounds like he's in almost exactly the same situation as the guy mentioned by mojaco in post # 5 and it took that person 5 years to acquire Thai citizenship.

[Dogmatix]

17 hours ago, stinkerbell said:

It is possible that he will actually make his way to Ubon as that is where his mother is from. Could be some distant relatives still around.

If he can find family in Ubon, they will probably be poor farmers who will not be very interested in helping a relative who has come back from the US after 40 years there.  They will expect him to be wealthy and pay off their debts and help lift them out of poverty.  Work opportunities in the village will be nil and are limited in Ubon city. He will do a lot better to use whatever skills he has and his fluent English combined with no need to have work permit to look for look for work in Bangkok or any of the tourist areas, Pattaya, Phuket etc.  Once he has established himself, he can go look for the relatives but should be warned they will be automatically start pestering him for "loans".

[Dogmatix]

7 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

True, but getting registered as a Thai may be his big problem. He sounds like he's in almost exactly the same situation as the guy mentioned by mojaco in post # 5 and it took that person 5 years to acquire Thai citizenship.

Then he needs to obtain as much documentary evidence of his Thai nationality as possible before his deportation.  His mother may have to come to Thailand to help him prove his Thai nationality, if he doesn't have an old passport or ID card.  Getting an ID card and house registration book is the number one priority.  Once he has got these he will have to get exemption from military service in order to get a job.  Employers need a paper that proves a Thai male employee's status vis a vis military service.  He will easily get exempted because he is over 30 but needs to get the papers from the army.  

 

[Miami007]

9 hours ago, Uptooyoo said:

So he's 45 years old. Culturally he's an American; the same as taking any American who's never been to Thailand and just droppin' him in to fend for himself. He'll never make it, without help. Very little english is spoken here. A life of poverty awaits.

He should speak at least some Thai, if he lived in Thailand until 5 years old. My dad came from Russia when he was six and still speaks the language after nearly 80 years. 

 

But he may encounter a problem if he wants to get a managerial position as some industries require work experience in Asia (as there are supposedly cultural differences an American could not overcome - forgetting that the USA has changed a lot and become more diverse in the last 20 years, especially in larger cities)

 

Hopefully he has some savings to get him started.

[GroveHillWanderer]

52 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

His mother may have to come to Thailand to help him prove his Thai nationality.

That seems unlikely. According to post #27, his "Mom is elderly now with dementia."

Edited July 13, 2019 by GroveHillWanderer

[GroupA]

9 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

So much for American humanity, empathy and compassion

Sending a person with no language skills to a country they have no connection with, sounds like the work of the Australian government

 

 

You could offer him a room and a small allowance.

[BritTim]

2 hours ago, Miami007 said:

He should speak at least some Thai, if he lived in Thailand until 5 years old. My dad came from Russia when he was six and still speaks the language after nearly 80 years. 

In fact, children quite quickly lose their first language unless they continue to use it until their teens. Much depends on whether Thai was spoken at home as he was growing up.

[HannahD]

On 7/12/2019 at 12:42 PM, NCC1701A said:

a Thai who speaks perfect English and even the worst American education?

 

Run for PM!

 

In what country? His qualifications would seem appropriate for several.

[stinkerbell]

Whatever Thai he knew was lost. English was the primary language at home. I hope that he can pick it up quickly once he is there. He accepts full responsibility for the situation that he is in. He has worked steadily. In fact he was working as a security guard prior to this last thing when he stupidly tried to outrun a cop that was trying to stop him for speeding on his motorcycle. There were other things in his past, long ago. Not sure what (long before I knew him) but not car theft and not drugs. Just stupid things. Makes bad decisions.

He talks with other detainees at the detention center and that's where he got the idea that he could be put into a Thai jail. He is psychologically worn out now, doesn't have any fight left in him and just wants to go.

[sirineou]

if he is in NY he should contact the Legal Aid Society

https://www.legalaidnyc.org/

If not he should call them and perhaps they can refer him to a similar organisation in his area 

[Salerno]

13 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

But how do you apply for a job, if you don't even have a passport?

He's Thai, why would he need a passport?

 

8 hours ago, berybert said:

Can  you deport someone to a country they have no passport for ? Surely Thailand will send him straight back.

Because he's Thai. You don't need a passport to enter your own country, just proof you are a citizen.

[bigginhill]

11 hours ago, Old Croc said:

21 Savage. His case was different, he was illegal. He's released pending residence application.  Money and celebrity works in the US

That's his name, thanks! 

Why is it different though? 'Cos Op committed a crime and 21 savage didn't. But both brought from abroad when young. 

If you have managed schooling and working, is it possibile you are never aware you are not legal in USA. 

Did he never get an insurance/tax number? I don't know how it works there. 

[Scott]

It's been a while since I was involved in cases where people were forcibly repatriated or deported.   The home country has to agree to accept a person being deported.   This is not too difficult if the person has a valid passport from the home country.   If not, then travel documents have to be provided by the home country.  

 

Being born in Thailand does not automatically make him a Thai citizen, so Thailand could deny his return or delay it for a long time pending a decision that he is, in fact, a  Thai citizen.  

 

Once Thailand agrees to accept him, then it is just a matter of finding an appropriate means to return him.   Most people being deported fly on specially chartered (and expensive) ICE flights.  

 

There are over 100,000 people in the US with deportation orders to countries that have refused to take them.   In 2017, Cambodia had sanctions placed on it by the US for failing to accept returnees.  

 

So the documentation to allow him to return to Thailand will be provided by the Thai government.