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1 hour ago, pornprong said:

A lot more room for dissent and diversity of opinion on the other side than there has ever been under Prayuth.

 

However, those on the other side of Thailand’s color-coded political divide — the Red Shirts — are also vehemently opposed, but for very different reasons. They want justice for comrades killed in the 2010 crackdown. The prospect of general amnesty has them fearing that justice will never be served.

 

http://world.time.com/2013/11/01/thailands-amnesty-bill-unites-political-foes-against-government/

My views on prayut always been clear. 

 

As usual the rest of your post has nothing to do with the one of mine you quote. 

 

Where did I mention an amnesty?

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4 hours ago, overherebc said:

Snow??

Better still snow cones!I was once caught in a blizzard in Bangkok!

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6 hours ago, leeneeds said:

Should be retired!

Mahathir is 94. Biden 76 and Bernie 77. Still around. 

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50 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

My views on prayut always been clear. 

 

As usual the rest of your post has nothing to do with the one of mine you quote. 

 

Where did I mention an amnesty?

Comprehension issues eh?

 

The amnesty reference is an example of dissent and diversity of opinion amongst the democratic side of politics.

 

Thaksin wanted the amnesty for his own benefit, many Redshirts didn't want Abhisit, Suthep and Prayuth to avoid prosecution for murdering 100 Thais......and the result? Many Reds broke with Thaksin wishes and joined the protests, thereby disproving your earlier claim that Thaksin lords over Pheu Thai and they can only do what he tells them to.

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7 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Comprehension issues eh?

 

The amnesty reference is an example of dissent and diversity of opinion amongst the democratic side of politics.

 

Thaksin wanted the amnesty for his own benefit, many Redshirts didn't want Abhisit, Suthep and Prayuth to avoid prosecution for murdering 100 Thais......and the result? Many Reds broke with Thaksin wishes and joined the protests, thereby disproving your earlier claim that Thaksin lords over Pheu Thai and they can only do what he tells them to.

No comprehension issues at all. 

 

 

My post was stating the fact that pt does what thaksin tells it to do. 

 

Those who broke with thaksins wishes (kudos to them) effectively broke with the party. 

 

pt, itself as a party, continues to dance to his tune

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5 hours ago, pornprong said:

A lot more room for dissent and diversity of opinion on the other side than there has ever been under Prayuth.

 

However, those on the other side of Thailand’s color-coded political divide — the Red Shirts — are also vehemently opposed, but for very different reasons. They want justice for comrades killed in the 2010 crackdown. The prospect of general amnesty has them fearing that justice will never be served.

 

http://world.time.com/2013/11/01/thailands-amnesty-bill-unites-political-foes-against-government/

 

Rubbish! No dissent allowed - they are paid to do as they're told as Pheu Thai politicians; along with the never ever elected appointed mysteriously UDD leaders.

 

When the some rank and file Red Shirts objected to Thaksin's crude attempt at blackmailing Abhisit and others to accept a general amnesty, selfishly motivated, they were ignored. When unpaid farmers marched on Bangkok after repeated lies of promised payments by Yingluck they were intimidated to go home. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Mahathir is 94. Biden 76 and Bernie 77. Still around. 

and all should be retired

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4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Rubbish! No dissent allowed - they are paid to do as they're told as Pheu Thai politicians; along with the never ever elected appointed mysteriously UDD leaders. When the some rank and file Red Shirts objected to Thaksin's crude attempt at blackmailing Abhisit and others to accept a general amnesty, selfishly motivated, they were ignored. When unpaid farmers marched on Bangkok after repeated lies of promised payments by Yingluck they were intimidated to go home. 

You have an obsession with how the UDD leadership attain their positions - too bad you don't apply the same rigour to those who lead coup after coup.......especially given the fact that the UDD aren't even a registered political party and hold no offical power.

 

Yes, many Redshirts opposed the amnesty bill - kind of proves the point that Thaksin does not operate without opposition within Pheu Thai doesn't it. In fact, it was the level of opposition from within that hastened the demise of the amnesty bill.

 

You really do struggle with facts. The first street protests against the amnesty bill were on the 4th of November  Yingluck announced on the 7th that the amnesty bill has been withdrawn and would not be resubmitted.

Government policy changed within 1 week. 

How on earth can you describe this as ignoring the protesters? 

 

Rice farmers did not start threatening to march on Bangkok until nearly 3 months later in January 2014. Yingluck had dissolved parliament 9th December 2013 and called elections, therefore she was caretaker PM without the full power of the state at her service. What was Suthep doing at this juncture?

 

The PDRC simultaneously protested outside the Government Savings Bank and the Bank of Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives to block payment to farmers. The banks had a contract to pay farmers but needed approval each time.

 

How is it that you are always at odds with the truth?

Are you not tired of constantly being let down when faced with reality?

 

BTW - http://asaa.asn.au/finding-grains-truth-thailands-spoiled-rice-scandal/

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12 minutes ago, pornprong said:

You have an obsession with how the UDD leadership attain their positions - too bad you don't apply the same rigour to those who lead coup after coup.......especially given the fact that the UDD aren't even a registered political party and hold no offical power.

 

Yes, many Redshirts opposed the amnesty bill - kind of proves the point that Thaksin does not operate without opposition within Pheu Thai doesn't it. In fact, it was the level of opposition from within that hastened the demise of the amnesty bill.

 

You really do struggle with facts. The first street protests against the amnesty bill were on the 4th of November  Yingluck announced on the 7th that the amnesty bill has been withdrawn and would not be resubmitted.

Government policy changed within 1 week. 

How on earth can you describe this as ignoring the protesters? 

 

Rice farmers did not start threatening to march on Bangkok until nearly 3 months later in January 2014. Yingluck had dissolved parliament 9th December 2013 and called elections, therefore she was caretaker PM without the full power of the state at her service. What was Suthep doing at this juncture?

 

The PDRC simultaneously protested outside the Government Savings Bank and the Bank of Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives to block payment to farmers. The banks had a contract to pay farmers but needed approval each time.

 

How is it that you are always at odds with the truth?

Are you not tired of constantly being let down when faced with reality?

 

BTW - http://asaa.asn.au/finding-grains-truth-thailands-spoiled-rice-scandal/

afraid using a ptp friendly journo doesnt prove a thing, there are a lot of other reports that say the exact opposite, then again being a red supporter you have no option but to spread innuendo and lies to follow their agenda. The truth did come out and was proven, pity you lack the intelligence to understand it but then it would not help your BS rants if you admitted the truth

 

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36 minutes ago, seajae said:

 

afraid using a ptp friendly journo doesnt prove a thing, there are a lot of other reports that say the exact opposite, then again being a red supporter you have no option but to spread innuendo and lies to follow their agenda. The truth did come out and was proven, pity you lack the intelligence to understand it but then it would not help your BS rants if you admitted the truth

 

Hahahaha......the truth?

Under unelected, unaccountable military regimes, the truth does not come out.

 

For example, how much truth has come out about the recent "election"?

Can you provide information regarding the following issues or are you just a junta parrot?

 

1. 218% voter participation in the Sukhothai district.

2. Nearly 200% voter participation in Surin district. Small party Pheun Thai (not Pheu Thai) somehow received 220,000 votes, more votes for this one party than there were voters in the entire district. That's not the best bit though, somehow 6 hours later the EC had revised the count and PPRP came out in front

3. Under the constitution when the vote count reached 95% the EC has to calculate the Party list seat allocations, mysteriously the EC stopped the vote count when it reached 94.57%

4. At 94.57% of the count the EC issued differing totals. The total number of male + female voter was given as 34,731,447 yet the total number of ballots + spoiled ballots + unmarked ballots = 35,409,936.........as discrepancy of 678,489 ballots

5. At the premature closing of counting on election night, the EC declined to confirm the tally by the close of the night, as it has done with previous elections—joking that it did not have a calculator on hand

 

If you can't shed a bit of light on the above, I guess we all know what conclusions to draw both about the junta's relationship with the truth and the value of your posts.

 

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