Popular Post Briggsy Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said: But won't the Thai authorities deport him back to the country of which he holds a passport, in this case Kazakhstan ? If so shouldn't he apply for a tourist visa in Kazakhstan ? No and no. You are confusing deportation (commonly for criminals and overstayers) with denial of entry. They are very different. He is being detained airside. i.e. not in Thailand. Immigration want to hand him off to the airline who brought him, one way or another. This is almost certainly the way he will leave the detention room in Suvannaphum. The same airline is the way it is done. Nationality is largely irrelevant. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IraqRon Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, jackdd said: From the actions of Thai authorities in the past. We saw several news where people were found to be working online on a Tourist by Thai authorities, but these people were not charged for working without work permit and just let go. We didn't see a single news about somebody being arrested / deported for working online on a tourist visa. can't find the article, wasn't folks in chiang mai arrested and expelled for on line english teaching? they were renting work space in a condo and working out as a group. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbezoz Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Briggsy said: No and no. You are confusing deportation (commonly for criminals and overstayers) with denial of entry. They are very different. He is being detained airside. i.e. not in Thailand. Immigration want to hand him off to the airline who brought him, one way or another. This is almost certainly the way he will leave the detention room in Suvannaphum. The same airline is the way it is done. Nationality is largely irrelevant. Many thanks for clarification on that issue. But can the airline deny him return ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meand Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, jackdd said: From the actions of Thai authorities in the past. We saw several news where people were found to be working online on a Tourist by Thai authorities, but these people were not charged for working without work permit and just let go. We didn't see a single news about somebody being arrested / deported for working online on a tourist visa. Even assuming that is true, you have to understand what you are saying. The fact is you are at the mercy of any given immigration officer's discretion. Showing up in Thailand as a digital nomad on a tourist visa, and declaring "I am a tourist" to immigration, probably no problem. Conversely, showing up in Thailand as a digital nomad on a tourist visa, and declaring "I will work here, but only just a little bit on my computer", is a very unwise course of action. Paying taxes or not does not matter at all either btw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThomasThBKK Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 49 minutes ago, Sheryl said: However, as you perform this work online while in Thailand you are indeed breaking Thai law in working without a work permit or appropriate visa. There is unfortunately currently no way to get either for this type of work. Thai laws related to WPs and business visas have nto been updated to reflect the digital age. Hang in there. This too will pass. You are not in danger and you will eventually be taken to an outbound flight. If the airline which brought you has an infrequent schedule and/or is usually fully booked it will take a bit longer than otherwise, that's all. So far courts have ruled otherwise in multiple cases a la: https://asiancorrespondent.com/2014/10/thailand-immigration-officials-raid-chiang-mai-co-working-space/ Even Chinese Forex traders that have setup a shop have been ruled not breaching the law: The only thing they found breaking the law was the Thai hotel not reporting them, all have been let free. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 what does a digital nomad actually do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said: Many thanks for clarification on that issue. But can the airline deny him return ? Yes, but ..... the airlines can refuse to take him if he doesn't pay but the airlines have to work with the Thai authorities day in, day out and they will be under a lot of pressure to take him. In this case, visa on arrival, they may be obliged to take him. However, in cases where foreigners had legit visas, the airline does not appear to have been negligent so I can't see the existence of an obligation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thequietman Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Orton Rd said: what does a digital nomad actually do? Blogs, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbezoz Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Orton Rd said: what does a digital nomad actually do? I asked this question earlier on the thread. Best go back and read the thread as we have been advised earlier that the thread is about the detention of someone, not about discussing digital nomads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbezoz Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Briggsy said: Yes, but ..... the airlines can refuse to take him if he doesn't pay but the airlines have to work with the Thai authorities day in, day out and they will be under a lot of pressure to take him. In this case, visa on arrival, they may be obliged to take him. However, in cases where foreigners had legit visas, the airline does not appear to have been negligent so I can't see the existence of an obligation. Given that then what happens ?, The Thais can not make an airline take somebody back if they had a proper VISA so surely the only re-course would be to return him to the country of which he has a passport, Kazakhstan, something I already mentioned earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, geoffbezoz said: Given that then what happens ?, The Thais can not make an airline take somebody back if they had a proper VISA so surely the only re-course would be to return him to the country of which he has a passport, Kazakhstan, something I already mentioned earlier. I think the airline will cave. i.e. take him and then try to recover the money later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dddave Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: 20+ flights a day to KUL, can't see any reason the OP was held more than an hour or two. But isn't his departing flight restricted to the airline he flew in on? That narrows down availability considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Just now, dddave said: But isn't his departing flight restricted to the airline he flew in on? That narrows down availability considerably. Yes, you are correct. Also the flights on that particular airline could be full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritTim Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, jackdd said: Then it should be fine. People who sign the paper agree to pay for their stay in the detention cell. You didn't sign it, so the airline has to pay for your stay there, which they of course don't like, so they try to get you out asap. Maybe the last flight on which you should have been was just full already. Actually, the cost of the detention must be borne by the Thai authorities when the denied entry was not due to negligence on the airline's part. It is only the cost of removing the inadmissible person from Thailand that is the responsibility of the airline (and which they will try to recover from you). The delay in removing you is likely because the flights are full, common at this time of year. They will be trying to get you on the first flight with an available seat. Immigration will be pushing the airline if it takes too long. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Salerno Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Zhanna said: I stay in Thailand a lot because I like the apartments. 55555 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbezoz Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Zhanna said: I am Russian and my passport is Kazakhstan Just to ensure clarity. You have a Kazakhstan passport, so hence you are a Kazakhstan national correct ? Are you also a passport holder of a former Soviet Union state because as you will be aware Kazakhstan does not normally allow dual citizenship unless there is an agreement with one of these former states. So hence you would be considered a Kazak national only. That may influence where the Thais return you to if the original inbound airline refuses to return you to the originating airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, BritTim said: Actually, the cost of the detention must be borne by the Thai authorities when the denied entry was not due to negligence on the airline's part. The reality is they have runners who go and buy food and water for you as long as you give them money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Briggsy Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 Just now, geoffbezoz said: Just to ensure clarity. You have a Kazakhstan passport, so hence you are a Kazakhstan national correct ? Are you also a passport holder of a former Soviet Union state because as you will be aware Kazakhstan does not normally allow dual citizenship unless there is an agreement with one of these former states. So hence you would be considered a Kazak national only. That may influence where the Thais return you to if the original inbound airline refuses to return you to the originating airport. Mate, you keep going on about him getting sent to Kazakhstan. That is not what happens in 99.99% of cases. This is NOT a deportation. The airline that brought him in will take him back to Malaysia. A large minority of Kazakh nationals are ethnic Russian. Perhaps that is what he meant. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbezoz Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Just now, Briggsy said: Mate, you keep going on about him getting sent to Kazakhstan. That is not what happens in 99.99% of cases. This is NOT a deportation. The airline that brought him in will take him back to Malaysia. A large minority of Kazakh nationals are ethnic Russian. Perhaps that is what he meant. Well actually that is not what I meant. They may be ethnic Russians but they only have Kazakh passports and right of abode in Kazakhstan, not in Russia, a sore point with many and is something you learn from the locals if you ever worked there. But my actually point was ; should the inboard airline refuse to take him back, which they may or may not do, where would the primary return country be for the Thai authorities ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Isaanbiker Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) OP, it looks like they're waiting for a flight with the same company plus a free seat. Please do not talk negatively about any Thai institutions in any form. Sometimes the walls have ears and eyes.. Do not update your FB, or any other media with information about your detention, just wait until you're out of Thailand. As already mentioned, try to get a tourist visa after arrival. I find it hard to believe that so many people believe the OP is a guy who's scared of being raped. It's pretty obvious to me that OP is female. Best of luck that they let you go! Edited July 14, 2019 by Isaanbiker 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: 20+ flights a day to KUL, can't see any reason the OP was held more than an hour or two. School holidays in every other country except Thailand and most direct flights are chockers. Plus the airline needs to come up with an empty seat first. They won't bump a paying passenger to make space for the OP whose fare they have to pay for themselves. Edited July 14, 2019 by NanLaew gr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said: Well actually that is not what I meant. They may be ethnic Russians but they only have Kazakh passports and right of abode in Kazakhstan, not in Russia, a sore point with many and is something you learn from the locals if you ever worked there. But my actually point was ; should the inboard airline refuse to take him back, which they may or may not do, where would the primary return country be for the Thai authorities ? The inbound airline has the responsibility of removing the inadmissible person. They cannot shirk that responsibility even if they were completely blameless. Usually, they will return the passenger to the last embarkation point. If that is not possible (the person has no visa, for instance) they can take him anywhere else that will admit the passenger. If ever in this situation, you should leverage this reality, plus the fact that the airline must remove you even if you do not pay. Decide where you want to go (that the airline has flights to) and make clear you will pay without argument for that flight, but resist attempts to get you to pay if they try to fly you elsewhere, or (especially) try to get you to purchase additional flight coupons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkv Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Zhanna said: They didn't ask for it. Did they ask for an exit ticket? Edited July 14, 2019 by lkv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Emir Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zhanna said: Thanks for replying, Jack. I did not sign the paper. All I want is to fly back to Kuala Lumpur. The representative of the airline said the flight is today but today they are telling me it is tomorrow. The wardens refuse to answer any questions. They are not telling me what time the flight is tomorrow. Just because they lied yesterday, I find it hard to believe them.... And I have no way to check which flight I am on because I was not the one who booked it (the airline did) and I don't know the reservation number. Hi Zhanna. What is your nationality and where you from? Are you Malaysian? Edited July 14, 2019 by ubonjoe removed quote from another topic 5 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbezoz Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, BritTim said: The inbound airline has the responsibility of removing the inadmissible person. They cannot shirk that responsibility even if they were completely blameless. Usually, they will return the passenger to the last embarkation point. If that is not possible (the person has no visa, for instance) they can take him anywhere else that will admit the passenger. If ever in this situation, you should leverage this reality, plus the fact that the airline must remove you even if you do not pay. Decide where you want to go (that the airline has flights to) and make clear you will pay without argument for that flight, but resist attempts to get you to pay if they try to fly you elsewhere, or (especially) try to get you to purchase additional flight coupons. "they can take him anywhere else that will admit the passenger ", which ultimately must be their country of origin, in this case Kazakhstan !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmen Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Relax sit and reflect. Being detained wont kill you and enjoy the free boiled rice and chicken bits while they figure out what to do with you. Your free to claim you have no money and can't pay for a flight anywhere, nobody got a life sentence in detention that Im aware of 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbezoz Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Eric Emir said: Hi Zhanna. What is your nationality and where you from? Are you Malaysian? He/She already stated they have a Kazakhstan passport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaanbiker Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, madmen said: Relax sit and reflect. Being detained wont kill you and enjoy the free boiled rice and chicken bits while they figure out what to do with you. Your free to claim you have no money and can't pay for a flight anywhere, nobody got a life sentence in detention that Im aware of Isn't telling them that you don't have money exactly the wrong step when you're planning to come back to Thailand? Isn't that an often used reason by the IO for denying him/her entry into Thailand? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Briggsy Posted July 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said: "they can take him anywhere else that will admit the passenger ", which ultimately must be their country of origin, in this case Kazakhstan !! Lordy mate, you won't stop going on this one track. No airlines fly both Bkk - Kl and Bkk to Astana. The OP is not going to be sent to Kazakhstan. Also, the Thai authorities do not decide where he/she goes. That is up to the airline and the passenger. Really, nobody is being deported. I don't know how many times you have to be told. 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmen Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said: Isn't telling them that you don't have money exactly the wrong step when you're planning to come back to Thailand? Isn't that an often used reason by the IO for denying him/her entry into Thailand? Yes and Yes but he is already in detention awaiting deportation. How much worse can it possibly get? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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