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1 hour ago, Tagged said:

@Zhanna

 

you are allowed to have your personal things with you, phone, charger, internet access from airport? Can you buy food and drinks as well? 

 

Just curious

There is no food and drink on sale in the detention area. People get it for you if you have cash.

 

When OP enters Malaysia, he/she can buy a direct Air Asia flight to Vientiane and enter at Nong Khai. Or direct to Phnom Penh and then overland to Pailin or Ko Kong.

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2 minutes ago, lkv said:

And the check-in luggage?

The check-in luggage is handled by the airport staff. You cannot access it. Ditto your passport. There is a whole sheaf of papers following you around with all your details and your passport. It ensures your luggage goes with you. The sheaf is handed to the security guard, then to the cabin crew then to the transit staff at your returned destination then to immigration at your returned destination. 

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Guys, do you think Kuala Lumpur can throw me in the cell also when I get there? I flew from KL on 12th of July and tomorrow is 15th. So, it's been 3 days I was out. Plus I have a stamp from Thailand saying I've been denied entry... Also, is there is the way to somehow check if there is my name on the record for the flight to Kl tomorrow with RJ?

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9 hours ago, jackdd said:

You are supposed to have 10k THB (can be in another currency) cash with you when entering with a visa on arrival, so for this they could also have denied you.

 

According to the current interpretation of Thai authorities working online with no connections to Thailand (except your physical presence) is not considered as working in Thailand, so it doesn't require a work permit and can be done while in Thailand on a tourist visa.

Until the OP gets its (the OP's) passport back and posts the denial-of-entry stamp we shall not know the official reason for which it (the OP) has been denied entry into Thailand and I suggest that we should not simply assume that the reason was for suspicion of working illegally in Thailand.

 

Aside from that, time and again we have seen Thai officials interpret laws differently. If push comes to shove, ie if ever a case goes to court, the only interpretation that counts will be the judge's interpretation of the law, ie of the following:

  1. Royal Decree on Managing the Work of Foreigners B.E. 2560 (2017) – th
  2. Royal Decree on Managing the Work of Foreigners (No. 2) B.E. 2561 (2018) – th

The above links are for the Royal decrees in Thai language as I have been unable to find an English translation so far, but to the best of my knowledge they do not exempt foreigners working online in Thailand with no connections to Thailand from the requirement of getting a work permit. However, this is a moot point for this topic at this stage, so let us no discuss it here, please.

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1 minute ago, Zhanna said:

I don't have check-in luggage. I left everything in Malaysia since I was planning to go back in 9 days

Can you advise members. I have no idea about your passport entitlement for KL?. I hope your visa exempt? What the deal for you kl.

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2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Can you advise members. I have no idea about your passport entitlement for KL?. I hope your visa exempt? What the deal for you kl.

I can enter without visa and stay 30 days.

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2 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

The check-in luggage is handled by the airport staff. You cannot access it. Ditto your passport. 

In China, how do you transfer it while in transit? Does it work from airline to airline or you must stick to the same airline?

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1 minute ago, Zhanna said:

Guys, do you think Kuala Lumpur can throw me in the cell also when I get there? I flew from KL on 12th of July and tomorrow is 15th. So, it's been 3 days I was out. Plus I have a stamp from Thailand saying I've been denied entry... Also, is there is the way to somehow check if there is my name on the record for the flight to Kl tomorrow with RJ?

Very, very unlikely. Malaysian Immigration is now very familiar with the capricious decisions of Bangkok Airport Immigration. If Kazakh passport holders can enter Malaysia, they will let you in, no problem.

 

Your best bet to know if you are on the flight is to ask the airport liaison in the detention area.

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1 minute ago, Zhanna said:

I can enter without visa and stay 30 days.

Afaik Malaysia doesn't have a limit which says something like "only x visa exempts per y months", so it should be no problem to get a new visa exempt from them and you will most likely be allowed to enter Malaysia again.

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1 minute ago, lkv said:

In China, how do you transfer it while in transit? Does it work from airline to airline or you must stick to the same airline?

Once you get to the first returned airport after being denied, you change back from being a detainee to a normal passenger. Thank God. You get your passport back. You can go wherever you want on any airline you want.

 

In my case, Thailand denied me entry and put me back on my return flight to the UK. When I got to China, where I changed planes, I simply said that I am not returning to the UK and bought a ticket to a neighbouring country. Of course I lost the leg from China to the UK. 

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4 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

When I got to China, where I changed planes, I simply said that I am not returning to the UK and bought a ticket to a neighbouring country. Of course I lost the leg from China to the UK. 

Right ok. I think that would only work on the same carrier. If you went to another carrier, I don't know if they'd pick up luggage from the first carrier?

 

Because you cannot pick it up yourself since you cannot enter China.

 

Good info though, thanks.

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2 minutes ago, lkv said:

Right ok. I think that would only work on the same carrier. If you went to another carrier, I don't know if they'd pick up luggage from the first carrier?

 

Good info though, thanks.

No, it will work on any carrier. When you get back to your first returned airport, the first question is, "Can you clear immigration there?" I couldn't in China. That meant my suitcase was taken by Chinese airport security and held until it was known where I was going. The next flight to the UK was 26 hours and Suwannaphum had only concerned themselves with booking my seat on the first sector (BKK - China). So, I had a choice to either arrange my onward travel to the UK (on my existing ticket) or buy a new ticket to another destination. I bought a new ticket. It happened to be the same carrier. But any new carrier would just get the luggage from airport security. Remember, I was "trapped" in the transit area with no access to my luggage. It's the job of the transit area staff to ensure your luggage goes with you irrespective of the airline you are travelling on.

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14 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Suwannaphum had only concerned themselves with booking my seat on the first sector (BKK - China)

Assigning a seat you mean, as in checked in.

 

That's not very relevant. Even if they assigned the seat on the second flight, you could have still given it up.

 

You were booked and paid on both flights as a passenger.

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56 minutes ago, Zhanna said:

Guys, do you think Kuala Lumpur can throw me in the cell also when I get there? I flew from KL on 12th of July and tomorrow is 15th. So, it's been 3 days I was out. Plus I have a stamp from Thailand saying I've been denied entry... Also, is there is the way to somehow check if there is my name on the record for the flight to Kl tomorrow with RJ?

Youv've got the passport with the denial stamp in your hands? Can you post a photo of the stamp or post the number pencilled into it, probably the number 12 followed by a single-digit number in parentheses? This would put an end to the speculation in this topic about the official reason for your denied entry.

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Guys, I am still here. It's 7:23 am and they brought a bunch of new people. I still haven't heard back from airline. Please advise on the course of action if they don't escort me to board the plane today? WHo should I contact?

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7 hours ago, lkv said:

That's not very relevant. Even if they assigned the seat on the second flight, you could have still given it up.

 

You were booked and paid on both flights as a passenger.

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Yes, this is correct. 

 

The only relevance for me was when I got to China and supposing I had wanted to continue on back to the UK, I would have had to wait for an available seat. The minimum transit time was 26 hours. As you pointed out, since I didn't continue back to the UK, it became irrelevant. The point being, anyone can "bail out" at the first transit point and change their final destination provided they can buy a ticket.

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1 hour ago, Zhanna said:

Guys, I am still here. It's 7:23 am and they brought a bunch of new people. I still haven't heard back from airline. Please advise on the course of action if they don't escort me to board the plane today? WHo should I contact?

Your options are :-

1. Immigration cancel the denial of entry stamp. Unlikely but worth a try. You have the right of appeal.

2. Pester the airline liaison guy. Even suggest you yourself buy a ticket on another airline to KL. The airline liaison will be rude. But he will also wish to be rid of you.

3. Call any Thai friends you have to ask if they can intervene on your behalf.

4. Set up a Facebook group, "Trapped in Suwannaphum airport." and try to broadcast your plight to as many people as possible.

5. Try to bribe your way in to Thailand.

6. Call the Embassy.

7. Pretend to be sick.

 

@Maestro She will not have her passport back until she has been processed at KL. This is a definite.

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

OP, more experienced members can advise more accurately. I'm so not familiar with Russian pp rights and also KL.

Not wish to worry you more than you are already.... however thread few months ago fella entered swampy with visa by the way. Denied entry. Returned to Saigon. Rejected and then flew to UK

Their denial of entry was due to not having a visa for entry. He had just used a visa exempt entry and could not do another one for 30 days. If he had gone online and applied for a visa before arriving he would of been allowed entry.

He has a Kazakhstan passport and is allowed a 30 day visa exempt entry for Malaysia which has no restriction on doing them back to back. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Malaysia

I am certain he will not have a problem entering Malaysia.

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9 hours ago, Briggsy said:

When OP enters Malaysia, he/she can buy a direct Air Asia flight to Vientiane and enter at Nong Khai. Or direct to Phnom Penh and then overland to Pailin or Ko Kong.

Not sure all those crossings other than Nong Khai or Koh Kong can issue a 15 day visa exempt entry.

I suggested he get a single entry tourist visa in KL with website links and info several pages back but not sure if he read it or not due to so many unhelpful posts being posted.

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9 hours ago, Zhanna said:

Guys, do you think Kuala Lumpur can throw me in the cell also when I get there? I flew from KL on 12th of July and tomorrow is 15th. So, it's been 3 days I was out. Plus I have a stamp from Thailand saying I've been denied entry... Also, is there is the way to somehow check if there is my name on the record for the flight to Kl tomorrow with RJ?

I don't recall KL turning those with denial of entry stamps from Thailand away. They will probably not even notice the stamp,

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15 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Some more off topic, inflammatory posts and replies have been removed.

No further notice will be made when posts have been removed.

And now now a bunch more for the 2nd time since posting the above.

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20 hours ago, BritManToo said:

20+ flights a day to KUL, can't see any reason the OP was held more than an hour or two.

He would have to travel back with the same carrier that brought him in, not any carrier from any airport. 

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14 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Probably a whole lot more than your internet search revealed but the key is the airline that the OP came in on has to pay the seat cost for the OP's 'repatriation' and the airlines are not about to bump a fare-paying passenger just to help the OP or fulfill their obligations.

Sure, but possibly a bit more complex. The airline check-in staff are not equipped to make absolute decisions about whether the traveler will be admitted to the arrival country, and especially where there are numerous past visa factors. 

 

In the case just above should the airline refuse all travelers where there are obvious previous stamp? No, that's not appropriate.

 

So in case like this has the airline actually broken a rule and therefore that airline should bear the costs of returning the passenger to the departing airport? 

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1 minute ago, FredGallaher said:

The airline has on incentive to resolve this quickly, since the passenger doesn't want to pay. They'll probably wait until there are a few unsold seats then call him/her to go.

Well yes, but does the airline want to spend any time on cases like this. Like any business spending time on problems interferes with using that same time to enhance positive factors etc...

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40 minutes ago, FredGallaher said:

The airline has on incentive to resolve this quickly, since the passenger doesn't want to pay. They'll probably wait until there are a few unsold seats then call him/her to go.

Which of course there will be a lot less during this time, due to the coming Thai public holidays.  A lot of people will be taking a long weekend away. 

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59 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Well yes, but does the airline want to spend any time on cases like this. Like any business spending time on problems interferes with using that same time to enhance positive factors etc...

Actually, the airline didn't say I have to pay. The representative said it's her responsibility to deal with me. I specifically asked if the airline will pay. She said yes. But now I am getting conflicting information now. There are Chinese people here, other detainees and they said you have to book your own ticket - it's official. In the morning the guard came in and said I go today 100%. But then he came in later and I asked what time flight is and he said he doesn't know... I don't know what to do

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