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Thanathorn admits Thais cannot rely on foreigners to fight for democracy

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1 hour ago, geoffbezoz said:

The Thais can not even organise and fight for themselves, never had never will, always always preferring to take a quick buck from anyone, irrespective of their social status, so why should foreigners even want to help them ?

 Well perhaps Khun Thanathorn is saying, to have credibility we (the Thai people) need to step up and do the work to build democracy. Imposed / pushed from outside won't work, we don't own it as our own achievement / our own hard work to achieve a democratic country and society.

 

Perhaps this is like building your house yourself, you're proud of what you ultimately achieved, you own your achievement and along the way you (me) learned many good lessons and also realized what doesn't work and what can damage your house and we learned what protections we need to establish and maintain.

 

I think he's saying 'we (Thai people) need to do the work to build and own democracy'.

 

And I have no doubt Khun Thanathorn realized there is a long and hard road ahead with many bumps, however in nearly 40 years he's the only person I've seen who speaks with reality.  

 

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3 hours ago, webfact said:

Thanathorn admits Thais cannot rely on foreigners to fight for democracy

The current extremely lazy spineless 'sabai sabai' culture/society waiting for a miracle—by others—just doesn't cut it.  YES, the local citizens are getting exactly what they deserve.  But sadly, too many of us retired expats who loved Thailand enough to pull up stakes and move here are caught between a rock and a hard place.

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The only thing you can rely on is more of the same abject misery as LOS falls apart for foreigners🤔

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1 hour ago, WeekendRaider said:

but not China so much.  he probably means "Amerikee", the land of easy money.  the USA where we have two fake political parties and a very professional mass media.  ahem.  so much so that top science folks this morning say we have a 50% chance of July 2019 being the hottest July ever recorded by humans, even though it is definitely not an El Nino, but only so everywhere else.  not in the USA  [technically it is above neutral as an ENSO but 2019 is just as much an La Nina as a El Nino to the folks who study this, for sure although there is a larger trend already.  gulp. ]

yet this announcement is from the USA.  Columbia University in New York I believe. or NASA something.

 

and then also reported in The Guardian, a UK news website..... but not in the New York Times.   yes?
 

so yeah, I agree with this guy,  and I only just last saw Thanathorn in "real life" while shopping at our afternoon market near Chiangmai.  everyone went nuts with their smartphones, it was like The Beatles arriving or in a movie theatre when I was a kid.

 

back to my point.  another example.  so off the scale, the USA, that Xi can rightfully say he is democratically elected because he is selected by a "real" political party that can actually discuss and make rational policy.  in the USA we can't even talk about the root cause of an impending mega mega "immigration crisis"... yet John Kerry, a Vietnam vet war protest hero, can lecture the EU all the live long day about migration as 'more serious issue than he thinks that they think it is' (not)..... while using the words 'climate refugees' that he cannot say at all when he is at home.  just another lying politician or is he really that stupid?  no one can tell.  I can't.  so as Joe Pesci might ask, do grits really cook different there?  no, I think it is what Thanathorn is "really" talking about.  gosh darn it, why do I have to keep using the words "real" and "fake" all the time?  

because I'm an American.

 

Is there an English translation of what you are trying to say?

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Never heard anything so ridiculous. We are treated like scum by the authorities, we have absolutely no rights whatsoever, and they talk about us not helping them ? What a bunch of ungrateful rabble we are !

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20 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 Well perhaps Khun Thanathorn is saying, to have credibility we (the Thai people) need to step up and do the work to build democracy. Imposed / pushes from outside won't work, we don't own it as our own achievement / our own hard work to achieve a democratic country and society.

 

Perhaps this is like building your house yourself, you're proud of what you ultimately achieved, you own your achievement and along the way you (me) learned many good lessons and also realized what doesn't work and what can damage your house and what protections we need to establish and maintain.

 

I think he's saying 'we (Thai people) need to do the work to build and own democracy'.

 

 

They had close to what could have eventually evolved into a real democracy at various times.

The Thais just failed by their lack of both interest and determination to keep it.

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1 minute ago, Reigntax said:

They had close to what could have eventually evolved into a real democracy at various times.

The Thais just failed by their lack of both interest and determination to keep it.

Some truth in that however IMHO Khun Thanathorn realizes that and it's all part of his most recent speech.  

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1 minute ago, phantomfiddler said:

Never heard anything so ridiculous. We are treated like scum by the authorities, we have absolutely no rights whatsoever, and they talk about us not helping them ? What a bunch of ungrateful rabble we are !

You are correct but at least we have options.

The Thai majority are treated the same. 

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22 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

Never heard anything so ridiculous. We are treated like scum by the authorities, we have absolutely no rights whatsoever, and they talk about us not helping them ? What a bunch of ungrateful rabble we are !

Why is this thread suddenly loaded with me, me, me stuff. Thailand never promised me or anybody utopia, we all came here realizing 'i'm moving to  third world country fraught with numerous problems'.

 

Khun Thanathorn is focused on developing Thailand and so he should be.

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5 minutes ago, Reigntax said:

You are correct but at least we have options.

The Thai majority are treated the same. 

'We are treated like scum...'

 

Is that really true or is Thailand just trying to get things in order, as you find in many countries.

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7 minutes ago, scorecard said:

'We are treated like scum...'

 

Is that really true or is Thailand just trying to get things in order, as you find in many countries.

From what I have experienced the majority are also treated much the same in various aspect of their daily life. It also seems that once a person gets into a position of having a small amount of power such as a government position, even at the lowest level, that they immediately think much the same and use their position to belittle other, not so fortunate, Thais.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Reigntax said:

From what I have experienced the majority are also treated much the same in various aspect of their daily life. It also seems that once a person gets into a position of having a small amount of power such as a government position, even at the lowest level, that they immediately think much the same and use their position to belittle other, not so fortunate, Thais.

 

 

Sure, this happens, as it can be in other countries. I remember well as a child going with my mother of father to a government office in Australia and my parents being spoken to rudely, even aggressively and loudly by the gov't officers. All now changed.  

 

I've tried to read everything Thanathorn has written and said, and I suspect the above is one of the things he wants to change. It's a tall order and I hope he gets the right folks behind him to achieve these changes.

 

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1 hour ago, geoffbezoz said:

The Thais can not even organise and fight for themselves, never had never will, always always preferring to take a quick buck from anyone, irrespective of their social status, so why should foreigners even want to help them ?

I'm sure you are aware of previous efforts of some Thais fighting for themselves and the results of their efforts which tend to be very violent which might lead to the preference of a quick buck rather than a quick bullet.

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2 hours ago, YetAnother said:

they treat us like dogs and we are in the conversation for 'helping' them ?

A bit exaggerated, officialdom can be difficult sometimes but Thais on the whole are OK, I can't remember a time where I have been treated badly here but I am in Isaan and it's laid back. No 'we' aren't in the conversation, he was talking about the international community, not a few zealous grumpy expats that would go on the barricades for them (I'll be the one hiding behind the wall)

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6 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Sure, this happens, as it can be in other countries. I remember well as a child going with my mother of father to a government office in Australia and my parents being spoken to rudely, even aggressively and loudly by the gov't officers. All now changed.  

 

I've tried to read everything Thanathorn has written and said, and I suspect the above is one of the things he wants to change. It's a tall order and I hope he gets the right folks behind him to achieve these changes.

 

I think he is a breath of fresh air and a hope for the future.

He just has to survive all the prosecutions which will come from every corner and for every minor issue.

The established certain don't want someone like him making life better for the average Thai. Their power and wealth is dependent upon maintaining status quo.

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