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Thanathorn admits Thais cannot rely on foreigners to fight for democracy

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1 hour ago, fishtank said:

Not by Thais you don't.

Granted,not by so many Thais but some and I have noticed that this is slowly changing about as slowly as the march towards democracy.I have noticed I no longer see the pickups roaming around in search for dogs to sell for culinary purposes. 

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27 minutes ago, Reigntax said:

They had close to what could have eventually evolved into a real democracy at various times.

The Thais just failed by their lack of both interest and determination to keep it.

So ? Name me any country that has real democracy ( a mythical word that is) I can remember a wise old man in the UK when I was doing my apprenticeship telling me ;- "When industry is booming you will be forced to do all the overtime possible, when there is a recession you will be unemployed and when there is war you will be stuck in a uniform and told to kill some poor sod like yourself or be killed for a group of champagne scoffing elites safe in London"

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2 hours ago, Lungstib said:

The powers that have ruled for 80 years have ensured that no foreigners living here in Thailand can have any effect so I assume he is talking about outside countries. Why would they care, business is business.

Business is the key to ALL political maneuvers. Business interests WILL be protected at all costs. Were it not for business, there would have been several "extractions" of US prisoners held in Thai prisons for "heinous" acts such as violating the Computer Crimes law, as well as another "crime" that cannot be mentioned.

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Most other countries under unsatisfactory regimes, freed themselves with bloody uprisings. The French Revolution was the single finest moment for freedom surpassing even the American Revolution. Any such revolution in Thailand, would take YEARS to execute those who deserve to die for their criminal acts against the state.

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When a major Cambodian politician admitted he consulted an outside country (the USA) for suggestions on how to improve democracy in that country, he was forced into exile. Not that it could happen here, but anyone should think carefully about "interference" from outside.

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1 hour ago, petemoss said:

Also, a large percentage of Thai people would not want or appreciate our help, it's all about "face".

I'm sure a large proportion of countries have a similar situation in regards to outside help.In regards to the face issue here they call it losing face in english speaking countries we call it stubbornness,which is quite common in the west,I know a lot of falang go on about this loss of face thing and many other issues here in Thailand but I see most counties seem to suffer from the same maladies and in about the same quantities.It seems to me it's part of the look what they are doing and don't look at what I'm doing because if you see what I'm doing you might see something I don't want you to see.

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Anyone who understands Thailand might suspect Khun Thanathorn is just playing to the necessary Thai anti-western sentiment. 

 

He was recently in EU to bolster support to democracy. 

 

Meanwhile, here in Thailand, his opposition were fomenting the anti-western sentiments of Thais, saying things like

 

... "don't let the international community mess up our Thai efforts" and

 

... "don't allow westerners to meddle in Thai affairs" 

 

Now he's back in Thailand doing the necessary 'farangs are bad routine' to win back political points to prove he is a "real" Thai. 

 

For the people who long thought he is some kind of newly modern Thai savior, or even represents significant progress, I still encourage you all to think deeper about the real soul of the nation which is decidedly xenophobic. 

 

The young Thais dislike western ideas sns influence just as much as their grandparents, despite their superficial interests in iPhones and high fashion. 

 

Thanathorn is probably just like all other Thais before him. No significant differences. 

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Maybe he hasn't met with the CIA yet, they love a challenge 😉

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4 hours ago, webfact said:

No foreigners will help to effect changes and restore democracy in Thailand

This is because Prayuth & co fear farangs empowering Thais with opinions and criticisms so they use Immigration laws & police traps to persuade them to move to Vietnam.

This seems to be his only successful policy to date.

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Just now, KhunFred said:

Most other countries under unsatisfactory regimes, freed themselves with bloody uprisings. The French Revolution was the single finest moment for freedom surpassing even the American Revolution. Any such revolution in Thailand, would take YEARS to execute those who deserve to die for their criminal acts against the state.

Trouble is once you use violence it is difficult to know when to stop, the French revolution ate its own children because they became power mad and lost all reason, Khmer rouge was the same, the English civil war ended with a defeat of the royalists but Cromwell started oppressing the people, the American civil war had, and in some states still has, problems with the outcome, it is all just senseless slaughter of the innocents and rarely solves anything (perhaps in the long run yes if you wait a few generations)

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16 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

So ? Name me any country that has real democracy ( a mythical word that is) I can remember a wise old man in the UK when I was doing my apprenticeship telling me ;- "When industry is booming you will be forced to do all the overtime possible, when there is a recession you will be unemployed and when there is war you will be stuck in a uniform and told to kill some poor sod like yourself or be killed for a group of champagne scoffing elites safe in London"

Picky.

 

Agree that no country applies democracy as it was applied in Athens in the 5th century B.C.

 

However, I do think that the UK complies much more closely to the modern concept of democracy than Thailand does.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

 

"No consensus exists on how to define democracy, but legal equality, political freedom and rule of law have been identified as important characteristics.[12][13] These principles are reflected in all eligible citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes."

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1 minute ago, mikebell said:

This is because Prayuth & co fear farangs empowering Thais with opinions and criticisms so they use Immigration laws & police traps to persuade them to move to Vietnam.

This seems to be his only successful policy to date.

And does he thinks he is doing the right thing? 

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Just now, ocddave said:

Maybe he hasn't met with the CIA yet, they love a challenge 😉

They just keep getting it wrong big time and cause more problems than if they had kept out of it.

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6 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

Thanathorn is probably just like all other Thais before him. No significant differences. 

I agree, if you are talking about the Thai Elite. Wealthy Thai Chin family, born into relative entitlement. If he ever did get into power, I'm sure his first task would be to increase his own family's wealth and power. Remember Taksin?

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