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Thanathorn admits Thais cannot rely on foreigners to fight for democracy

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Just now, soalbundy said:

They just keep getting it wrong big time and cause more problems than if they had kept out of it.

I'm an American, I agree with you, they should have been reigned in years ago.....I would love to see them shutdown, or at least purged.

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Its not our fault. Why would farangs want to help ungrateful Thais anymore? All they want from us is money and free homes for their poor families.

Soi dogs are higher up the pecking order than farangs.

What do farangs legally own?

You want democracy then get rid of all the thousands of useless army generals and bring back Thaksin. He's greedy but millions  love him. Good for the economy.

You're on your own Thais!

You dug your own hole so lie in it.

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4 hours ago, webfact said:

Thanathorn said that Thai people must wake up and fight against dictatorship if they want a society where there is rule of law, equality for all and democracy.

I think he may get into trouble for this statement as officially released publicly by the big shots, Thailand has been transformed from a military control to the public domain, NCPO disbanded and replaced with an equally same non military watch dog, and Democratic Elections were a success thus bringing Thailand in-line with all the rest of the Democratic Nations of the World. 

 

I would be afraid that this now falls under a National Security issue as it is spreading false rumors and trying to undermine a legitimate and accepted government. But we all know the real truth, don't we!

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Just now, petemoss said:

I agree, if you are talking about the Thai Elite. Wealthy Thai Chin family, born into relative entitlement. If he ever did get into power, I'm sure his first task would be to increase his own family's wealth and power. Remember Taksin?

Which applies to all Thai's, and is the reason I consider this country a failed society.

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Just now, petemoss said:

Picky.

 

Agree that no country applies democracy as it was applied in Athens in the 5th century B.C.

 

However, I do think that the UK complies much more closely to the modern concept of democracy than Thailand does.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

 

"No consensus exists on how to define democracy, but legal equality, political freedom and rule of law have been identified as important characteristics.[12][13] These principles are reflected in all eligible citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes."

really? they have done away with legal aid for a start so only if you have money could you sue a government department that withholds your rights. As the American saying goes, "Capital punishment is for those that don't have the capital"

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1 minute ago, holy cow cm said:

I think he may get into trouble for this statement as officially released publicly by the big shots, Thailand has been transformed from a military control to the public domain, NCPO disbanded and replaced with an equally same non military watch dog, and Democratic Elections were a success thus bringing Thailand in-line with all the rest of the Democratic Nations of the World. 

 

I would be afraid that this now falls under a National Security issue as it is spreading false rumors and trying to undermine a legitimate and accepted government. But we all know the real truth, don't we!

No such thing exists, or has ever existed, in Thailand.

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2 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

The Thais can not even organise and fight for themselves, never had never will, always always preferring to take a quick buck from anyone, irrespective of their social status, so why should foreigners even want to help them ?

They were getting organized in 2010 before the army shot over 90 dead in the street and since then it has been illegal for more than 5 to gather to demonstrate, it's not that they have not tried but each time they do they get kicked down.

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1 minute ago, holy cow cm said:

Thailand has been transformed from a military control to the public domain, NCPO disbanded and replaced with an equally same non military watch dog, and Democratic Elections were a success thus bringing Thailand in-line with all the rest of the Democratic Nations of the World. 

 

Really? When did that happen? I must have missed that. And here's me labouring under the misconception that Prayut and his cronies are still in control of the country.

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3 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

If foreigners did try to help, they would be met with suspicion...agree not purchase alcoholic beverages except at predetermined times...censorship of TV programming, bring with them large sums of baht (must come from out of the country), report to immigration all their movements and trips out of country and agree to ùnanounced  visits by Thai officials at any time...facial recoginition and finger printing, and live constantly with the angst that an immigration official having a bad day could expel them from the country with no recourse...

 

It's all good!  Foreigners are clamoring to do the heavy lifting to bring about a democratic government for Thailand...😮

 

 

The source of help he is refering to is not you, me or your buddies drinking down at the 7-11. 

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Just now, moe666 said:

The source of help he is refering to is not you, me or your buddies drinking down at the 7-11. 

Well he could do worse, he could ask Trump for help.

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1 hour ago, Jimbo in Thailand said:

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The current extremely lazy spineless 'sabai sabai' culture/society waiting for a miracle—by others—just doesn't cut it.  YES, the local citizens are getting exactly what they deserve.  But sadly, too many of us retired expats who loved Thailand enough to pull up stakes and move here are caught between a rock and a hard place.

So you're saying  you love the extremely lazy spineless 'sabai sabai' culture well I would have join with you on that because that's why I moved here but then I found out that I must have married the only hard working in your face and as far removed from sabai sabai as you can get thai woman in Thailand!Bugger!

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11 minutes ago, petemoss said:

I agree, if you are talking about the Thai Elite. Wealthy Thai Chin family, born into relative entitlement. If he ever did get into power, I'm sure his first task would be to increase his own family's wealth and power. Remember Taksin?

Yes, that's exactly part of what I mean. 

 

So many westerners fall for this Asian trap everytime of thinking that just because there are 2 or more opposing political sides, that the sides are necessarily ideologically different. 

 

The rich Thai Chinese, as a class, are in fact mostly all the same at a fundamental level and only show superficial differences. 

 

For example, there are attributes they all MUST show to be considered Thai. 

 

Then there are attributes they would not give up that reflect their Chinese ethnic heritage. 

 

These two groupings of attributes alone mean they could NEVER build anything approaching a democracy. It's not in their DNA. 

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I think we restored democracy once before with the cost of thousands of lives. A lesson that isn’t even taught in your School history. 

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Thais like to call their democracy 

 

Democracy with Thai Characteristics 

 

But they should call it

 

Democracy with (decidedly Undemocratic) Thai Characteristics 

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26 minutes ago, ocddave said:

No such thing exists, or has ever existed, in Thailand.

Tell that to them in how they just released it to the media publicly. Seem to have covered all of their angles. We all know the real deal though. 

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