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Common guys.. don't you all know that Thailand is number one'' you can ask a Thai friend.

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3 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

Yes I like to know that as well why does he talk to me? he knows I am a farang

and I am on his friends list

Surely you guys don't simply take politicians, and ESPECIALLY Thai ones, at their usually hollow words, right? 

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2 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

Surely you guys don't simply take politicians, and ESPECIALLY Thai ones, at their usually hollow words, right? 

Yes some of us don't know and we only realized at the end.

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13 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

Surely you guys don't simply take politicians, and ESPECIALLY Thai ones, at their usually hollow words, right? 

Those what you call simple politician make more sense than you ever will

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I really don't know what his angle is with this. Why is he even mentioning foreigners? Is it at attempt to blame the foreign community for not helping them or is it a way to encourage Thais themselves to stand up to the regime without implicitly saying it and risking a jail term for "spreading disharmomy" or whatever Prayut calls it? Either way, it's a Thai problem for Thai people to sort out, I don't really see Thailand spending it's resources to help other nations with their problems so I'm not sure what they are expecting from other nations.

 

It would be a bit like Boris Johnson stating that "we can't expect the Thai nation to resolve Brexit for us, we must do it ourselves". It's so obvious that it's meaningless, it's fatuous.

 

Even if foreign powers tried to help I believe most Thais would tell them to stop interfering in Thailand's internal issues. So yes it is up to Thailand to resolve the problem of the Thai military's interference in Thai politics but I won't be holding my breath.

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32 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

Thais, as a rule, don't communicate directly. 

 

Their communication must be 'read between the lines'.

 

I regard his 'foreigners will not help' statements not for their face value but as saying,

 

" there is no need for us to rely on foreigner powers, and I am not relying on foreign powers, and we all know foreign powers should not meddle in Thai affairs " 

 

I think we know how the elite are rabid anti foreigner in this regard, so I interpret his statements thusly. 

 

Thais are not westerners. They don't mean what they say. 

So you think he's pandering to the Thai Elite? If that's true, and I personally don't think he is, that's him written off in my book.

 

"Their communication must be 'read between the lines'." Really? You think Thais are capable of innuendo?

They take everything at face value. Have you ever watched Thai comedy? It's all slapstick, Mr Bean is the most famous foreign celebrity in Thailand, his comedy is perfect for them, no words just slapstick.

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8 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

Those what you call simple politician make more sense than you ever will

Can you critique my argument, please? 

 

I am not interested in attacking each other. 

 

Thank you 

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25 minutes ago, scorecard said:

  ?

 

So how about answering my question:

 

So what do you think his (Khun Thanathorn's) democracy is?

 

Maybe "his democracy" is basically getting rid of the Senate and the junta together with discarding this Constitution. I hope he has thought past these negative objectives to building a positive. To paraphrase a Biblical expression; "After you drive out the negatives, you have to put in positives else the negatives will return worse than before."

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16 minutes ago, ramr said:

As a matter of strategy and optics, foreigners inside and outside the country cannot be seen as interfering.  

 

And yet a democracy suited to this country cannot be built by only by Thais who know only life inside Thailand.  It will also need the input of smart, caring, selfless, educated Thais who have live/been educated abroad and wish to adapt the best foreign ideas to make their own country better without trying to make it a clone of Western democracies.  And they will need to be able to make their case to the Thai people that some difficult changes are necessary to move forward and do not represent the end of Thai culture.  Just the end of some of the  attitudes and institutions that are holding them back.

 

Sounds idealistic, I know, and it's a high bar, but these Thais do exist, and in increasing numbers, I think.  And hope.

 

 

Good post, Ramr (above).

I think the Thai who perhaps best fits the description you give of the Thai type to lead Thailand forward is, in fact, Thanathorn. He is Western-educated, anti-militarist, and progressive - but has not turned his back on his own oppressed people (unlike so many selfish M.A.s and Ph.D.s whom I know - who support Dictatorship) ....

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, ramr said:

As a matter of strategy and optics, foreigners inside and outside the country cannot be seen as interfering.  

 

And yet a democracy suited to this country cannot be built by only by Thais who know only life inside Thailand.  It will also need the input of smart, caring, selfless, educated Thais who have live/been educated abroad and wish to adapt the best foreign ideas to make their own country better without trying to make it a clone of Western democracies.  And they will need to be able to make their case to the Thai people that some difficult changes are necessary to move forward and do not represent the end of Thai culture.  Just the end of some of the  attitudes and institutions that are holding them back.

 

Sounds idealistic, I know, and it's a high bar, but these Thais do exist, and in increasing numbers, I think.  And hope.

 

 

 I totally agree they do exist and I put Khun Thanathorn near the top of that list.

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4 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

This is and remains a domestic problem, an issue to be solved by Thais for Thais - exclusively. 

Foreigners, nastily called "alien" or "farang" have been an eyesore in many Thais view and if not for the money they would have kicked all of us out long time ago. We are more democratic and possibly better educated which is absolutely contradictory to the oligarch elite's way of cheating the majority of the Thai electorate. Latter does not care as they were told from Day 1 to shut up, listen to the Pooyais, the elder, richer, higher positioned and untouchables. Entire Thailand is connected to each other by a rotten system of "pi" and "nong" where connection and not ability and skills count. 

Hence Mr Thanathorn is well advised to listen and study how non-Asian countries work but then look for a Thai version of democracy. The system I've been living in this country for the last 35 years is provenly disastrous and the abyss is around the corner. 

In closing, this is Thailand, the Land of the Thais and we alien, farang, kaek, jeck and whatever other names Khon Thai has for all the lesser races, we shut up and keep our mouth closed for good reason. Thanathorn did not manage the first time, might fail on the second time but over time it will be a new generation setting the records straight and in line with the needs of Thai people in the 21st century - unless that is too late already as far as education, riddance of corruption and patronization is concerned. We will see ........ good luck Thailand, you will need LOTS of it! 

nice comments.

"Hence Mr Thanathorn is well advised to listen and study how non-Asian countries work but then look for a Thai version of democracy."  Can I suggest folks do further reading about Khun Thanathorn' extensive & comprehensive education in several other countries, also his past statements about reducing the gap, his past activities with the poor and disadvantaged.

 

Further he has brought into his party balanced clever, humble people who speak well, have civil society as their anchor point etc. Folks with past baggage are not accepted. 

 

 

He impresses me, I think he's the person.

 

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2 hours ago, soalbundy said:

really? they have done away with legal aid for a start so only if you have money could you sue a government department that withholds your rights. As the American saying goes, "Capital punishment is for those that don't have the capital"

Why should the public pay for civil litigation?

Given the bar for a successful civil claim is " on the balance of probability" if you cannot present a case having a reasonable chance of success, then you have no case or claim.

 

If you had a case, with any reasonable chance of success, you would have no problems being adequately represented either pro bono or on a fee for win situation.

 

The problem is most people can only see what matters to them and not what the laws allow.

 

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This clown and Thaksin clone finally came to that rather obvious conclusion?? Unbelievable just how ignorant and ill prepared he is for any Public Office. Seem like every time he opens his yap dribble just comes out.

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