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Thanathorn admits Thais cannot rely on foreigners to fight for democracy

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36 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

The whole fetish over "Democracy" is silly and misplaced. What you need to focus on is good government. The two best led Asian nations over the past century have been Japan and Singapore. Japan was a one party state for most of that time and Singapore a quasi-dictatorship. Discussion of how much better Vietnam is than Thailand nowadays is rife on this forum. Nobody complains about Vietnam having no Democracy whatsoever. 

 

Whether it is a monarchy, oligarchy, dictatorship, military junta, republic, or democracy, the fundamental marker of a government is its effectiveness in creating a good country. Instead of the constant bickering over the form of government, more focus should be placed on working together to identify problems and promote solutions. 

I have to agree, and must admit I have been using the word "democracy" in this thread somewhat indiscriminately.  I do tend towards it due to my upbringing, and also because it seems to represent an improvement to the existing wildly kleptocratic, wasteful, incompetent, and cronyist system... But then again, what doesn't at this point?

 

But I'm not married to the idea that democracy is necessarily the most ideal form of government for the Thais, especially when considering that democracies seem to function best with a populace capable of analysis and critical thinking.  Otherwise you end up with a glorified form of mob rule.

 

 

I'm just thinking out loud here...as I've said previously, we'll need some exceptional Thais to really answer this question and find the solution.

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2 hours ago, Eligius said:

I agree. I have never encountered a Thai politician like Thanathorn before in all my years in or associated with Thailand. He really is a breath of fresh air. Could he eventually prove to be a sell-out? Of course it is possible. But so far - I see not even the slightest nano-sign of that.

I believe he is far and away the best hope for Thailand's future.

I think he (Thanathorn) has stepped into a vast empty and lonely place in the world of Thai political leadership.He has no competition in this space.On his first foray into Thai politics he gave some an awful fright so much so they banned him,which I believe will come back to bite them.I think one reason the Thai populous has not revolted is that the elite have learnt that slowly turning screws on the people taking as much as they can without exerting to much pressure,but Thanathorn is chipping away and hopefully will soon open the floodgates.He is young and I believe learning quickly.If he succeeds he will remember those that denied his requests for assisstance and as others have mentioned the west has assisted many times countries fights for democracy but for some reason the silence remains deafening in Thailand's case as it always is!     

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7 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I know a lots of dogs that get treated really nice with lots of love and kindness so I see what you mean.

You mean the ones the local temple monks beat with sticks?

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4 hours ago, neeray said:

Thank you Eligius for your excellent post. Your first sentence cleared up a repetitive misunderstanding that many posters had. I saw it the same as you. And I see the genuineness of Thanathorn and fully expect and hope that he will one day be the Prime Minister of Thailand.

Up until your post, I kept thinking what a whacky bunch of posts. Again, thank you.

Your last sentence says it all. The fact that so many posters responded as if Thanathorn was referring to them was surprising to say the least.  And bang on about visas, they don't like us, they are doing everything to get rid of us, etc.... A real head scratcher.     

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6 minutes ago, dcnx said:

You mean the ones the local temple monks beat with sticks?

Yes exactly, love and kindness Thai Bhuddist style!

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8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

To add on to your excellent point, a good country is one that allows people to speak their minds and shape their own and children's future. Democracies are on the average richer than others and have a better record of fighting corruption. That so many people in so many different parts of the world are prepared to risk so much for democracy is testimony to its enduring appeal. 

Thank You.I agree that Thailand would be much better without the shackles of the present regime.There are so many talented people here that people are unaware of giving the impression that Thais are ignorant uneducated and lazy to the those that are ignorant uneducated and lazy.  

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2 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Why would foreigners do anything, when Thais display complete disinterest and complacency. Let 'em rot.

I understand your feelings (a lot of Thais are not all that bothered by the regime under which they live, it is true) - BUT there are many, many mainly young Thais (who largely support Thanathorn) who are pretty furious about what is being done to their country and who are voicing their anger in no uncertain terms on Facebook and other social media.

 

The only hope for Thailand lies with the young ...

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7 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Why would foreigners do anything, when Thais display complete disinterest and complacency. Let 'em rot.

Because we are kind and generous with displays of empathy (not to be confused with apathy) and get all warm and fuzzy when we do something of this nature especially if it is appreciated.Just like helping random strangers who are in need of assistance.

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