Thainesss Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 hours ago, mikebike said: Please define "everyone"... somehow I don't think you are actually referring to "everyone"... I, for one, wouldn't mind the global wake-up call a closure would foster. Also would be fun to see MSB and Saudi establishment go apoplectic!! That would throw the world into chaos for a short while and effect almost every aspect of peoples lives. Lights. Fuel. Food. Flights. Shipping. Economies. And would likely trigger a full on war. Fail to see how any of that would be beneficial to anyone nor would it be a wake up call for anything positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Thainesss said: Id like to see what you consider 'dumping' on their 'needs'. I'll start with using "threat to national security" to justify tariffs on traditional allies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thainesss said: That would throw the world into chaos for a short while and effect almost every aspect of peoples lives. Lights. Fuel. Food. Flights. Shipping. Economies. And would likely trigger a full on war. Fail to see how any of that would be beneficial to anyone nor would it be a wake up call for anything positive. It would be beneficial to the companies that specialize in low level nuclear clean up and the construction firms who dispose of hazardous waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Thainesss said: That would throw the world into chaos for a short while and effect almost every aspect of peoples lives. Lights. Fuel. Food. Flights. Shipping. Economies. And would likely trigger a full on war. Fail to see how any of that would be beneficial to anyone nor would it be a wake up call for anything positive. Who would go to "full-out war"? For what reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, mikebike said: I'll start with using "threat to national security" to justify tariffs on traditional allies... So those countries can impose tariffs on US goods but the US can not impose tariffs on their goods? I think not. And you think that is a substantial enough reason for them to ignore Iran mucking about in shipping lanes that they themselves use for their oil & gas imports? Hardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebike Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Thainesss said: So those countries can impose tariffs on US goods but the US can not impose tariffs on their goods? I think not. And you think that is a substantial enough reason for them to ignore Iran mucking about in shipping lanes that they themselves use for their oil & gas imports? Hardly. Sorry, which ally used "threat to national security" to tariff the USA? And no... I clearly said , "I'll start with"... ???? having reading comprehension issues... ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, mikebike said: Who would go to "full-out war"? For what reason? How else are you going to prevent Iran from nuking Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Thainesss said: Id like to see what you consider 'dumping' on their 'needs'. All the same allies as before Trump became president, and while they may be being reluctant to join in right now, they certainly will if a few more ships get screwed with. That body of water is a massive shipping lane for most of the planets oil & gas and if you think they are gonna control it, and most of the world is just going to ignore it and let it happen because Donald Trump is president and said mean things to them... Id say thats pretty silly and will never happen. No. Many will think 'if we don't get involved nothing bad will happen to us'. After all they realise, this is caused by the US, and UK is in trouble now because it blindly followed US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, mikebike said: Who would go to "full-out war"? For what reason? Did you not read the post you replied to? Answer is right there in it. 10 minutes ago, Thainesss said: That would throw the world into chaos for a short while and effect almost every aspect of peoples lives. Lights. Fuel. Food. Flights. Shipping. Economies. And would likely trigger a full on war. Fail to see how any of that would be beneficial to anyone nor would it be a wake up call for anything positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, stevenl said: No. Many will think 'if we don't get involved nothing bad will happen to us'. After all they realise, this is caused by the US, and UK is in trouble now because it blindly followed US. Yes. And explain to me how they can think 'nothing bad will happen to us' when just about every nation on the planet gets some form of oil & gas from the middle east. Do you not comprehend how reliant the world is on middle eastern oil and what it does to support the existence of all its people? And its caused by Iran, and their extreme aggression and terrorism throughout the middle east and Israel, and their desire to have nukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 If the Iranians don't fall in step soon, this is going to turn out very bad for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Just now, EVENKEEL said: If the Iranians don't fall in step soon, this is going to turn out very bad for them. They won't. Their government is wildly unpopular with its people and they feel that if the USA can be shown to be the aggressor, then can stay in power and unite the people around an enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, Thainesss said: Yes. And explain to me how they can think 'nothing bad will happen to us' when just about every nation on the planet gets some form of oil & gas from the middle east. Do you not comprehend how reliant the world is on middle eastern oil and what it does to support the existence of all its people? And its caused by Iran, and their extreme aggression and terrorism throughout the middle east and Israel, and their desire to have nukes. Which extreme aggression and terrorism? Actually they played a key role in pacifying Irak and Syria by fighting against ISIS (contrary to SA). About Yemen, S.A. is surely not better than Iran, in Gaza Hamas could have had worst sponsors and there are specific historic reasons for the role of Hezbollah in Lebanon. More generally, as concerns triggering terrorism, Iran is really pale compared to S.A. But SA good, Iran bad, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Thainesss said: Yes. And explain to me how they can think 'nothing bad will happen to us' when just about every nation on the planet gets some form of oil & gas from the middle east. Do you not comprehend how reliant the world is on middle eastern oil and what it does to support the existence of all its people? And its caused by Iran, and their extreme aggression and terrorism throughout the middle east and Israel, and their desire to have nukes. The U.S. Just Became a Net Oil Exporter for the First Time in 75 Years. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-06/u-s-becomes-a-net-oil-exporter-for-the-first-time-in-75-years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: The U.S. Just Became a Net Oil Exporter for the First Time in 75 Years. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-06/u-s-becomes-a-net-oil-exporter-for-the-first-time-in-75-years briefly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, candide said: Which extreme aggression and terrorism? Actually they played a key role in pacifying Irak and Syria by fighting against ISIS (contrary to SA). Is that why Iran killed at least 608 American soldiers in Iraq, in addition to the thousands of Iraqi troops? Quote Special Representative for Iran Brian Hook told a State Department press briefing Tuesday that Tehran is to blame for 17 percent of all U.S. service personnel deaths between 2003 and 2011, having supplied weaponry to Shiite militias fighting U.S. occupation. Hook noted that the U.S. figure is in addition to the "thousands" of Iraqi troops and civilians killed in attacks by Iranian proxy forces. https://www.newsweek.com/iran-us-iraq-war-troops-killed-efps-shiite-militias-1385990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Thainesss said: Yes. And explain to me how they can think 'nothing bad will happen to us' when just about every nation on the planet gets some form of oil & gas from the middle east. Do you not comprehend how reliant the world is on middle eastern oil and what it does to support the existence of all its people? And its caused by Iran, and their extreme aggression and terrorism throughout the middle east and Israel, and their desire to have nukes. No. Shipping isn't threatened, one British ship was taken as revenge for the taking of an Iranian ship. And no, it is not caused by Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Thainesss said: So those countries can impose tariffs on US goods but the US can not impose tariffs on their goods? I think not. And you think that is a substantial enough reason for them to ignore Iran mucking about in shipping lanes that they themselves use for their oil & gas imports? Hardly. According to maritime law, each vessel has only one nationality, the one of its flag... that is to say for 71% of the world's merchant fleet tonnage: Panama, Liberia and the Marshall Islands ..Barbados, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, .. etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, Thainesss said: Is that why Iran killed at least 608 American soldiers in Iraq, in addition to the thousands of Iraqi troops? https://www.newsweek.com/iran-us-iraq-war-troops-killed-efps-shiite-militias-1385990 You got your wars mixed up. We're talking about the recent ousting of Isis. And as you may recall when the US launched the Iraq war, the neocons were talking about overturning all the undemocratic governments in the mideast. And do you remember this? In delivering his State of the Union message on this day in 2002, President George W. Bush branded three countries — North Korea, Iran and Iraq — as rogue states that he said harbored, financed and aided terrorists. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/29/bush-axis-of-evil-2002-1127725 The USA was asking for a punch in the nose and Iran gave it to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, stevenl said: No. Shipping isn't threatened, one British ship was taken as revenge for the taking of an Iranian ship. And no, it is not caused by Iran. One too many, and shipping has been threatened. Who hijacked the ship if not Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, bristolboy said: The USA was asking for a punch in the nose and Iran gave it to them. And here we have low-key Iran cheering. Disturbing. But your complete and utter deflection is very well noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, stevenl said: No. Shipping isn't threatened, one British ship was taken as revenge for the taking of an Iranian ship. And no, it is not caused by Iran. Who took the ship? Santa Claus? The Iranian support, defense and cheering going on in this thread is extremely disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thainesss said: And here we have low-key Iran cheering. Disturbing. But your complete and utter deflection is very well noted. Wow. Short term memory problem much? You're the one who brought Americans killed by Iran during the Iraq into this thread. So if there's a deflection, it began with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Wow. Short term memory problem much? You're the one who brought Americans killed by Iran during the Iraq into this thread. So if there's a deflection, it began with you. Right, you jump in here replying to a post of mine that was made to someone else with some weird deflection about George Bush (or something) with a disturbing little cheerlead at the end about the Americans that Iran killed. I think it sums up perfectly where you stand, and what side you're on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, Thainesss said: Is that why Iran killed at least 608 American soldiers in Iraq, in addition to the thousands of Iraqi troops? https://www.newsweek.com/iran-us-iraq-war-troops-killed-efps-shiite-militias-1385990 Yes. Some Iraki people fighted against the US occupation until the 2011 withdrawal. Additionally, the US created such a mess that the country was divided between Sunni and Shia zone protected by their respective militia. For example, most Shia in Bagdad were living in a fenced district where Shia militia were protecting them from Sunni attacks, and vice-versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: One too many, and shipping has been threatened. Who hijacked the ship if not Iran. And who created this whole situation? Do you think that might possibly be the reason why other nations don't want to help the US? You broke it, you bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, candide said: Yes. Some Iraki people fighted against the US occupation until the 2011 withdrawal. Backed and supplied by Iran with the intent to kill Americans. They are not hero's and their intent is to spread Iranian influence, kill Americans and Jews, and terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Just now, Thainesss said: Backed and supplied by Iran with the intent to kill Americans. They are not hero's and their intent is to spread Iranian influence, kill Americans and Jews, and terrorism. Absolutely. Iran wanted the threat posed by Americans to be over as soon as possible. If you were the Iranians, would you trust George W. Bush? Remember that the Americans were pushing for a permanent outpost there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thainesss said: Backed and supplied by Iran with the intent to kill Americans. They are not hero's and their intent is to spread Iranian influence, kill Americans and Jews, and terrorism. And of course to any rational outside observer, what the Iranians did to the Americans pales in comparison to what the Americans did to the Mideast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, bristolboy said: And of course to any rational outside observer, what the Iranians did to the Americans pales in comparison to what the Americans did to the Mideast. Why would Iran care about the Middle East with so many of its enemies there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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