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Hello! 

 

I have an Australian passport which has had 3 education visas. I have been studying Thai for 2.5 years but the last time I came into Bangkok they questioned me a long time before agreeing to let me in. Truely felt like the last time that I would be allowed thru. Immigration is very weary of anyone with ED visa’s even if you can demonstrate you speak Thai well. Now my school has finished and I’m going to travel.

 

I want to come back to Thailand for 30 days later this year; I was going to use my new British passport to re-enter because immigration really didn’t like the ED visas in my Aussie passport. 

 

My question is this - is there any point using my different passport to avoid questioning when coming back or will it be flagged somehow? Since it’s a different nationality I wasn’t sure if it would show up for them that I’ve been here for 2.5 yrs on my Aus passport? I’m just trying to re enter for 30 days as painless as possible, curious if anyone with dual passports has done this before?

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When was the 'last time' you entered and at what airport?

 

Has the ED visa expired or will it be expired before your planned 'later this year' visit?

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18 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

When was the 'last time' you entered and at what airport?

 

Has the ED visa expired or will it be expired before your planned 'later this year' visit?

Entered Feb 12th with a 90 day ED visa at BKK. It’s been extended once, which means it will expire August 12th. I plan to exit on August 8th. 

 

Wanted to return mid September for 30 days

 

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8 minutes ago, Alint18 said:

Entered Feb 12th with a 90 day ED visa at BKK. It’s been extended once, which means it will expire August 12th. I plan to exit on August 8th. 

 

Wanted to return mid September for 30 days

 

Will you be getting a visa in the UK passport or using a visa-exempt entry?

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49 minutes ago, Alint18 said:

My question is this - is there any point using my different passport to avoid questioning when coming back or will it be flagged somehow? Since it’s a different nationality I wasn’t sure if it would show up for them that I’ve been here for 2.5 yrs on my Aus passport? I’m just trying to re enter for 30 days as painless as possible, curious if anyone with dual passports has done this before?

Swapping passports probably won’t help. When you present the Aussie passport your name and date of birth will get searched and matched to any other matched passport. It’s then up to the IO to manually link any matched passports.

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4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Will you be getting a visa in the UK passport or using a visa-exempt entry?

I was planning on doing visa exempt but I can get a tourist visa instead if that is advised.

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3 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Swapping passports probably won’t help. When you present the Aussie passport your name and date of birth will get searched and matched to any other matched passport. It’s then up to the IO to manually link any matched passports.

Ahh ok, so if I show a new British passport that I’ve never used in Thailand, they are still going to match my details to my Aussie one and then probably be just as suspicious of me, maybe more 🙈😩

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49 minutes ago, Alint18 said:

Ahh ok, so if I show a new British passport that I’ve never used in Thailand, they are still going to match my details to my Aussie one and then probably be just as suspicious of me, maybe more 🙈😩

All I can say is probably. Ultimately the final stage of matching passports is made manually by the IO.

 

When — John Smith, 17/01/1970, the Brit — presents his passport any John Smiths  17/01/1970 regardless of nationality that have entered in the past will be shown to the IO. The IO is then supposed to check if any are you, and if so manually make the link. In the future it will be automatic once face recognition and biometric systems go live.

 

If you’re lucky and get a lazy IO your passports might not get linked, but if they are linked I guess entering under a different nationality is probably going to make the IO more suspicious and want to scrutinise your previous entries more closely.

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1 hour ago, Alint18 said:

I was planning on doing visa exempt but I can get a tourist visa instead if that is advised.

Given your time in the country it would be best to avoid visa exemption and enter with a Tourist Visa if you can.

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34 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Given your time in the country it would be best to avoid visa exemption and enter with a Tourist Visa if you can.

Ok thanks! 

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2 hours ago, elviajero said:

Swapping passports probably won’t help. When you present the Aussie passport your name and date of birth will get searched and matched to any other matched passport. It’s then up to the IO to manually link any matched passports.

That might be how it "probably" should work, but there is no such process.

The IO runs your name against the blacklist etc but, at this time, they do not have the capability to run your name and D.O.B against all past visitors to Thailand. It simply is not done. We know this because loads of dual password holders currently do exactly what the OP is suggesting.

Biometrics might make a difference going forward, but the OP has not said if he was fingerprinted during his last entry on his AU passport. If not, he can just go ahead and use his UK passport, it does not matter if they fingerprint him now because that data will be associated with his UK passport only, they cannot magically associate it with his AU passport.

Even if a dual passport holder is fingerprinted on both passports, we simply do not know if they will ever run that far more resource-intensive query against the fingerprints of all previous visitors. Fingerprints are complicated, you are talking about hours of compute time to run against even just the 40m sets accumulated during one year.

The purpose of the biometrics is to make sure that people already banned from Thailand don't come swanning back in with a fake passport. My guess is that they will run the fingerprints of all incoming visitors against the entire blacklist, and possibly other limited lists, but that is all.

Just as with the name + D.O.B. text search today, it is highly unlikely the designers will even provide an option for individual IOs to carry out a massive search against their entire accumulated library of fingerprints. It it would not be worth the expense-per-visitor, airports would grind to a halt, the system would be ripped out, bribes would have to be paid back, unthinkable!

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35 minutes ago, donnacha said:

That might be how it "probably" should work, but there is no such process.

The IO runs your name against the blacklist etc but, at this time, they do not have the capability to run your name and D.O.B against all past visitors to Thailand. It simply is not done. We know this because loads of dual password holders currently do exactly what the OP is suggesting.

Biometrics might make a difference going forward, but the OP has not said if he was fingerprinted during his last entry on his AU passport. If not, he can just go ahead and use his UK passport, it does not matter if they fingerprint him now because that data will be associated with his UK passport only, they cannot magically associate it with his AU passport.

Even if a dual passport holder is fingerprinted on both passports, we simply do not know if they will ever run that far more resource-intensive query against the fingerprints of all previous visitors. Fingerprints are complicated, you are talking about hours of compute time to run against even just the 40m sets accumulated during one year.

The purpose of the biometrics is to make sure that people already banned from Thailand don't come swanning back in with a fake passport. My guess is that they will run the fingerprints of all incoming visitors against the entire blacklist, and possibly other limited lists, but that is all.

Just as with the name + D.O.B. text search today, it is highly unlikely the designers will even provide an option for individual IOs to carry out a massive search against their entire accumulated library of fingerprints. It it would not be worth the expense-per-visitor, airports would grind to a halt, the system would be ripped out, bribes would have to be paid back, unthinkable!

Read this, you might learn something ...

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1034147-blacklisted-for-overstay-name-change-on-passport/?do=findComment&comment=12904326

 

Your entire post should be disregarded by anyone thinking of trying to beat the system by using two passports.

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8 hours ago, Alint18 said:

I want to come back to Thailand for 30 days later this year; I was going to use my new British passport to re-enter because immigration really didn’t like the ED visas in my Aussie passport. 

I don't think it is not so much to do with your non-ed visas and your extension of stay based upon attending school. It is more about the amount of time you have spent outside the country while on them. They may suspect you are not really attending classes which is required to get the extensions of stay.

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22 hours ago, Alint18 said:

I’m just trying to re enter for 30 days as painless as possible

Can you enter by land?

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1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Can you enter by land?

Yeah I could arrange that if you think it’s better? I hadn’t considered the difference in arrival method

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