Fingerprinting at airport: data storage ?

[simple1]

42 minutes ago, manarak said:

I couldn't find anything on who provides the IT solution to Thai immigration.

 

and even then, a reputable provider would only protect from outside criminals. it doesn't protect the data from misuse by its accredited users.

From memory SITA partners with a local SI in Thailand. If the subject is important to you, why not reach out to SITA in Singapore to get their Thai partner/s contact info

[bkk6060]

Stored and it is all a good thing.

If you are a criminal do not come here..

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Does it really matter?

What would you do if you know they store them in a simple database and lots of people could access them?

a) Would you not come to Thailand anymore to avoid this?

b) Would you complain somewhere and/or insist they don't do that?

Accept it. TiT!

 

Yes, it matters. If they're found to be breaching the GDPR tthey will be sanctioned by the EU in some way.

I agree with your sentiment and it would be great if Thailand would enforce laws.

But as we all know often they don't enforce their own laws.

And it won't make any difference if thousands or farangs protest about it.

And personally I try not to get upset about things which I can't change anyhow. Like tomorrow it will be hot. Can I change it? No. Case closed.

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, manarak said:

do you work in IT as I do ?

 

Oh dear! I am well versed in IT as well as everything from system engineering to building all from nothing up to top level administration units.

I am still not scared of everything. All systems can be breached, with the right decryptions, injections and tools. That´s why we mostly have to fix or find a cure after the damage is done. If you work in IT you know that even if you work as a low level programmer or whatever it might be.

[brewsterbudgen]

I wonder if the fingerprint scan at the airport is efficient enough to link with a criminal database (Thai or International) in real-time to allow for a speedy detainment.  The Indian guy who was caught on a fake passport after being deported 6 months earlier, a few days ago, was discovered by Immigration at an office in Thailand, and presumably got through the airport without issue.  Maybe the fingerprints are just linked to the Immigration database for your current passport?

[JAG]

I  caused huge confusion at Mae Sai last time I popped into Burma. I have a medical condition which means that my little fingers are bent permanently into my palms, and impossible to straighten to get the fingerprints. Oh dear me! Only able to scan four fingers on each paw! 

 

After a couple of moment a supervisor came out, and tried to straighten my fingers. I explained that the doctors had tried, and failed, and that ultimately they would have to amputate the fingers (when the pain and joint complications got too much). This alarmed him, and he allowed me in with a partial scan!

[bluesofa]

2 minutes ago, JAG said:

I  caused huge confusion at Mae Sai last time I popped into Burma. I have a medical condition which means that my little fingers are bent permanently into my palms, and impossible to straighten to get the fingerprints. Oh dear me! Only able to scan four fingers on each paw! 

 

After a couple of moment a supervisor came out, and tried to straighten my fingers. I explained that the doctors had tried, and failed, and that ultimately they would have to amputate the fingers (when the pain and joint complications got too much). This alarmed him, and he allowed me in with a partial scan!

What a pesky foreign troublemaker you are!
Lucky for you the IO was compassionate. Otherwise he might have suggested amputating the fingers, so you could carry them with you and scan them easily.

(Just joking, and sorry about your condition)

[manarak]

3 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Oh dear! I am well versed in IT as well as everything from system engineering to building all from nothing up to top level administration units.

I am still not scared of everything. All systems can be breached, with the right decryptions, injections and tools. That´s why we mostly have to fix or find a cure after the damage is done. If you work in IT you know that even if you work as a low level programmer or whatever it might be.

so you are just saying I am right to feel concerned.

Edited July 21, 2019 by manarak

[manarak]

4 hours ago, simple1 said:

From memory SITA partners with a local SI in Thailand. If the subject is important to you, why not reach out to SITA in Singapore to get their Thai partner/s contact info

what a strange thing to do that would be.

so I get the info about the local SI, I contact them and the answer is "of course our systems are perfectly safe and all users have been vetted at the highest level".

yeah right.

it's completely wrong to store fingerprints in the first place.

 

Edited July 21, 2019 by manarak

[Justgrazing]

Rub you're fingertips in sandpaper before you leave for Thailand erasing that swirly pattern then there'll be no images to record when you put you're paw in .. If they pull you up just say you've got smooth skin .. But if they take you're dabs on the way back out of Thailand there might be trouble after the skin's grown back .. 

[bluesofa]

1 minute ago, Justgrazing said:

Rub you're fingertips in sandpaper before you leave for Thailand erasing that swirly pattern then there'll be no images to record when you put you're paw in .. If they pull you up just say you've got smooth skin .. But if they take you're dabs on the way back out of Thailand there might be trouble after the skin's grown back .. 

I never realised you were such a criminal mastermind.

Surely the way to go is to sandpaper your fingertips each time before entering or leaving. Smacks of being organised though, not to mention painful.

[meand]

7 hours ago, Matzzon said:

They are of course stored. That will make them find you if you break the law and leave them at the same place. Exactly like fingerprint databases all over the world. Nothing strange at all, and nothing that law abiding persons need to worry about.

It is difficult to even address that comment it is so painful. Essentially, if your fingerprint is on something used in a crime, you are going to be guilty. 

 

Now, you are saying there is no other way possible, in the world, for that fingerprint to get there, other than actually being guilty. 

 

I would ask you to reconsider. 

 

 

[manarak]

11 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

I never realised you were such a criminal mastermind.

Surely the way to go is to sandpaper your fingertips each time before entering or leaving. Smacks of being organised though, not to mention painful.

shouldn't be too painful !

 

I wonder what the immigration would do if the prints repeatedly come out as unreadable ?

[Justgrazing]

1 minute ago, bluesofa said:

I never realised you were such a criminal mastermind.

Surely the way to go is to sandpaper your fingertips each time before entering or leaving. Smacks of being organised though, not to mention painful.

Secret is a round and around motion with fine grade paper .. Course grade and it gets a bit masochistic .. Done it in school to get in to the science teacher's locked cupboard to sneak a peek at his porn' collection during free activities on a Friday aft' .. T'was someone's bright idea so as not to leave any dabs on the door and handle ( long before the days of rubber gloves ) .. Didn't matter we still get caught .. another teacher walked in the classroom as we were trying to get in the cupboard .. Got a right borrucking and didn't even get to see any porn .. 

[JAG]

14 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

I never realised you were such a criminal mastermind.

Surely the way to go is to sandpaper your fingertips each time before entering or leaving. Smacks of being organised though, not to mention painful.

Super glue?

[JAG]

57 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

What a pesky foreign troublemaker you are!
Lucky for you the IO was compassionate. Otherwise he might have suggested amputating the fingers, so you could carry them with you and scan them easily.

(Just joking, and sorry about your condition)

When they become too much of a problem in a few years ( when the condition has effected my long middle fingers - they are just starting to contract, and I can no longer hold a glass!). Then I might just have them pickled and do that!

[bigginhill]

12 hours ago, anon7854 said:

To be honest I find finger printing abusive. I mainly go to Thailand 2 times / year on vacation but now will have to reconsider. I avoid countries that take an interest in my fingerprints like plague ( China , US).  I come to invest and spend money in your country and you are already seeing me as a criminal?  The "prevent trouble makers" is hilarious. It will not prevent anything , it's just dumb. Giving my fingerprints away for some foreign entity where I have absolutely no guarantee on the use would give them too much power. I'm wondering what the GDPR laws are saying on this matter?

 

So will anyone  who enters Thailand need to have their fingerprints scanned ? Are then any exceptions to this (like diplomatic staff, kids etc) or there are no exceptions? Do we fingerprint Thai citizen visiting Europe?

I object too, in the Uk they are used in work places and even in schools. 

Many things you can get round making life harder for yourself, but last year at the airport I asked myself what I would di if it was the only way too travel, would I not travel at all because of it?

Suppose a little like the Google consent page that appears every so often, that you ignore, try to trick, swap browser but after a week end up giving in. 

 

[Matzzon]

6 hours ago, meand said:

It is difficult to even address that comment it is so painful. Essentially, if your fingerprint is on something used in a crime, you are going to be guilty. 

 

Now, you are saying there is no other way possible, in the world, for that fingerprint to get there, other than actually being guilty. 

 

I would ask you to reconsider. 

 

 

Whats painful is that proplr like you believe that planting fingerprints is the nre hot thing for people comitting a crime. Soon you will probably start talk about people selling fingerprint information same as credit cards.

And, I did not say that there is no other way possible. Where did you get that from?

Databases with fingerprints exists all over the world, and there is no big problem with that. The only problem that exists is that too many poster here must find something to complain about when it comes to Thailand.

[Matzzon]

7 hours ago, manarak said:

so you are just saying I am right to feel concerned.

Did, I? Where did you read that information? The first thing when working in the IT sector is to be able to read and understand as well as value information.

[rwdrwdrwd]

Given their form, I wouldn't personally consider the Thai Immigration department a great custodian.
 

 

[rwdrwdrwd]

Edit - i'm mistaken, it's not actual fingerprint data that's being sold on the dark web. Yet.

Only a matter of time though... that combined with ID would be very useful to nefarious types https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yp3nzb/i-replaced-my-fingerprints-with-prosthetics-to-avoid-surveillance

Edited July 21, 2019 by rwdrwdrwd

[jacko45k]

15 hours ago, manarak said:

Are they being erased or are they being stored?

I would expect so, and maybe shared around. Indonesia is collecting them too. 

[bluesofa]

7 hours ago, manarak said:

shouldn't be too painful !

I wonder what the immigration would do if the prints repeatedly come out as unreadable ?

They would probably draw a blank...

[JAG]

7 hours ago, JAG said:

When they become too much of a problem in a few years ( when the condition has effected my long middle fingers - they are just starting to contract, and I can no longer hold a glass!). Then I might just have them pickled and do that!

Gives a whole new meaning to "data storage"!

????

[bluesofa]

7 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Secret is a round and around motion with fine grade paper .. Course grade and it gets a bit masochistic .. Done it in school to get in to the science teacher's locked cupboard to sneak a peek at his porn' collection during free activities on a Friday aft' .. T'was someone's bright idea so as not to leave any dabs on the door and handle ( long before the days of rubber gloves ) .. Didn't matter we still get caught .. another teacher walked in the classroom as we were trying to get in the cupboard .. Got a right borrucking and didn't even get to see any porn .. 

'free activities - obviously J. Arthur time, ha ha!

[bluesofa]

5 minutes ago, JAG said:

Gives a whole new meaning to "data storage"!

????

Or 'digit(al) storage'.

 

Edited July 21, 2019 by bluesofa
grammar

[wgdanson]

15 hours ago, overherebc said:

Mine have been on record in UK since 1968-ish. Black ink and card type. I am assuming they have been scanned now and are on a database.

Don't see a problem.

And mine have NEVER been taken in all my 71 years.

[KC 71]

Time will tell us what happens when it's all hacked and available for anyone to download.
 
Thailand just draw a massive bullseye on it's back by creating this database which is obviously all online and connected throughout the country.
 
Do they have finger print scanners at immigration offices inside the country or only on the borders I wonder?

Every entry and exit point in the whole country


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[LukKrueng]

15 hours ago, anon7854 said:

To be honest I find finger printing abusive. I mainly go to Thailand 2 times / year on vacation but now will have to reconsider. I avoid countries that take an interest in my fingerprints like plague ( China , US).  I come to invest and spend money in your country and you are already seeing me as a criminal?  The "prevent trouble makers" is hilarious. It will not prevent anything , it's just dumb. Giving my fingerprints away for some foreign entity where I have absolutely no guarantee on the use would give them too much power. I'm wondering what the GDPR laws are saying on this matter?

 

So will anyone  who enters Thailand need to have their fingerprints scanned ? Are then any exceptions to this (like diplomatic staff, kids etc) or there are no exceptions? Do we fingerprint Thai citizen visiting Europe?

when cctv's where introduced and placed on the streets and roads I've decided I'll never let them take my pix as it's a big privacy violations and I avoided going to/through places with cctv's! as time went by there less and less places I could go to. Now I stay in my bathroom 100% of the time....

[bluesofa]

9 minutes ago, LukKrueng said:

when cctv's where introduced and placed on the streets and roads I've decided I'll never let them take my pix as it's a big privacy violations and I avoided going to/through places with cctv's! as time went by there less and less places I could go to. Now I stay in my bathroom 100% of the time....

That smoke alarm in your bathroom ceiling is really a CCTV. You've probably been on scat tv for ages already.