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Thai tourism in trouble: And competitor Vietnam is "scary" for Pattaya


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3 hours ago, Thaidream said:

I. for one, am listening to him because he points out things that are real and are a problem.   Sometimes, the truth hurts.  It doesn't mean we do not like Thailand or Thai people.

 

The charts you presented are fine but they do not represent the fact that  Westerners are in short supply in Thailand and the reasons they are not coming have been spoken about in the forum.

 

There is no doubt that many tourists are giving Thailand a pass and going to other countries and even the Chinese are not coming in prior numbers.

 

There is a reason for all this and those who depend on tourists should listen to the reasons why people are not coming.  A smart business person listens to his/her customers or potential customers and never dismisses their complaints.

 

There are many people on this forum that have a love for Thailand and its culture and want the country to succeed.  

 

As I said , sometimes the real truth can hurt but it is not always meant fo be destructive but a positive force for making the right changes.

But people are coming. It not the truth he say.

That the point. That the chart I post.

i was at my friend elephant village today. 21 bus full of chinese tourist.

Here another one. 

Better to look at truth, don’t listen to him, he don’t know.

 

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Exchange rate is bad, costs are going up, visas are getting a lot harder to get, and more competitive alternatives are arising.   it isn't really surprising stuff. Thailand ain't that cheap

Taxi company I use for my biz was always somewhat arrogant but did the job so stuck with them.   the other week was going away myself, owner was crying how quite it is.    Anyhow a

That´s great news! Maybe the bigger part of all foreign criminalty in Thailand can move to Vietnam too. Then this nice country can go back to what it once was.

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3 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Don't let facts get in the way of his oh so predictable rant.

Here another one.. 

other country should learn from us. 

 

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4 minutes ago, lkv said:

Fair enough. I can believe that.

 

It means that it may be just buzz from unhappy Thai expats that wish to relocate.

 

It means Thai authorities are then concerned about losing the Chinese, which is their golden goose.

 

And yes, they have invaded Cambodia, building casinos and Vietnam as you say.

 

You are right about Westerners liking destinations closer to home, i haven't heard many people in Europe saying: hey let's spend 600-800 euros to go to Ho Chi Min. They did however say, let's spend that and go to Thailand, mainly because the image Thailand has created was consolidated over years and years.

 

The trouble is, once newbies see what Thailand looks like nowadays, they will leave with a bad taste in their mouths.

 

The effect will be felt in time.

 

 

 

Good points,

 

And to be fair, Vietnam previously did not particularly welcome westerners and nor were they geared for large tourism, but that has all changed.

 

My son came to Thailand this year with his western girlfriend, he has been many times over the years. He is now 28 years old and has actually been coming for 18 years, as a youngster and now an adult. He is upwardly mobile, great job (in the Nuclear industry), as does she, and plenty of disposable income. These are supposedly the tourists that Prayut and his ilk were aiming for.

 

He knows the country. He came to Isaarn and then went off to Chiang Mai and Krabi, as well as a couple of Southern islands. When I asked him his thoughts, he told me Chiang Mai was ' not his cup of tea ' as he was more beach person. He used to go to Pattaya but after his last trip, three years ago, he decided it was no longer for him.

 

He liked Krabi and the islands but thought once was enough and a case of ' Been there, seen it, done it ' He says that there are just ' more interesting places to go that offer more of what they are looking for '

 

He did two years Australia so he knows his beaches.

 

He found Chiang Mai dirty, and uninviting. Isaarn he enjoyed because I was here and it was a natural upcountry experience.

 

He has told me his next trips will be Vietnam and Myanmar and possibly Malaysia. He has done all he wants to do in Cambodia. No further plans to come here.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, lkv said:

Fair enough. I can believe that.

 

It means that it may be just buzz from unhappy Thai expats that wish to relocate.

 

It means Thai authorities are then concerned about losing the Chinese, who are their golden goose.

 

And yes, they have invaded Cambodia, building casinos and Vietnam as you say.

 

 

The Thais will never lose the Chinese, there's 30m new passport holders a year absolutely dying to get their first stamps. It is what they term FIT's, Free Independent Travellers too. Tour groups are old hat.

 

I can be in Vietnam in two hours, and in Hanoi in eight hours by bus from my city. It's a little known place only slightly smaller than London in terms of populace. I think a lot of people can't really grasp the scale of China. It frightens them.

 

Sure they're building casino's in Laos and Cambodia. I have a wad invested in that. More power to their elbow as far as I'm concerned. Macao just isn't big enough any more. I'd rather be in the tent p**sing out than outside p**sing in.

 

But as far as promoting Vietnam as the new Thailand, nah!

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45 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

The Thai phrase is, "Sum Num Naa".  Immigration is primarily to blame for this, with those setting the Baht rate coming in second. 

The Baht rate is set on the open market. If the Fed choose to do something about it, it'll change.

 

They wont. They don't care about the baht. Small beans to them.

 

There are clearly two types of foreigners in Thailand, expats and tourists. Be one or be the other. You can choose.

 

You can quote the law all you like but you can't change it. They can and they will at their own discretion.

 

That's the harsh reality of life.

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There are many issues.

One that is rarely mentioned, but I have identified is Thai Airways now only offer 20KG of hold baggage on all its long haul flights:

The updated allowance will be effective from 01 April 2019. Tickets bought in L/V/W before 01 April 2019 will have 30 kg allowance.
 
10KG less luggage is a pretty big change, and has to be having some kind of knock on effect.
 
These are all the flights that show up on the airline price comparison websites, and while you can upgrade this to the next level up with more baggage allowance, you can only do this on the Thai Airways website and the flight price is considerably more, making an affordable price very expensive.
 
I can't find another airline that offers such an abysmal low amount. The lowest I can find with other airlines is 23KG, but that also offers more weight allowance for hand luggage.
 
If going away for a few weeks with clean underwear for each day, this allows little weight left (if any) to bring souvenirs back, and the disproportionate cost of extra baggage weight means people will be buying less souvenirs to bring home, as they do not have weight to do so.
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Yes but what are long term/ retirement visa like in Vietnam and Phillipines/Sri Lanka- if they want to get expats and tourist there to spend tourist or expat $ then visas need to be favourable ?

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Tourism being down is a blessing for Thailand. Why?

It helps the Thai people protect their natural resources.

Just like there are always "growing pains", there are also "shrinking pains", and maybe even more relevant, "changing pains".

Instead of wanting more and more money, and more and bigger "things", the smart thought now is to protect your natural world and live close to the Earth. 

Expats and tourists who understand this will always be welcome in Thailand. ✌

 

  

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27 minutes ago, Edwin Cameron said:

Because of one very rude and arrogant Immigration lady, I shall be vacationing in Vietnam later this year.

Stay away from Immigration Ladies, they all want the Drama 

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12 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

I've never seen so many pessimistic articles as I have in the last month or so.

It is often when things look the worst that it turns to the better - hope is one of a few things no one can take from us so let us use it for all it's Worth … :thumbsup:

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16 hours ago, Lucius verus said:

ANZ bank this morning offering 20.9 baht for your hard earned dollars.

You may as well just toss your money over the counter and go home.

PI's and Vietnam with weak currencies are going after the Aussie market as well as new direct  destination sri Lanka. Throw cheap Bali into the mix and others and Thailand is in trouble.

Can't agree more. Even food in the soi's are expensive. Was in Bangkok recently and had a meal on soi 11. Sweet and sour pork, plate of chips and 1 beer - over 500thb. After that hit - I went to Terminal 21 for all of my food except breakfast. Breakfast at the Golden Arches (Asoke) 160thb for an average "big breakfast with coffee". Want a burger ? on soi 11 - at least 250thb. Ridiculous prices.

P.S Bali is ideal for Aussies, cheap flights 5.5 hours from Sydney - cheap destination but Western food can also be a little expensive, cheap Bintang beer. Massages less than $10aus but no naughty stuff. Oil massages start at 400 -500 thb = $20+

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There is no destination in Vietnam that can compete with Pattaya.  But the Thai Baht is so high for many Europeans, Greece, Turkey, The Balkans are fun and cheap with good service....but no Thai girl P4P..For Americans,  they have mexico and the whole of South America.  Thailand is now more expensive and , quite simply less fun under the new authorities. Also horrible for many Thais. There is a terrible fear and depression behind their smiles.

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6 minutes ago, Melbun said:

Can't agree more. Even food in the soi's are expensive. Was in Bangkok recently and had a meal on soi 11. Sweet and sour pork, plate of chips and 1 beer - over 500thb. After that hit - I went to Terminal 21 for all of my food except breakfast. Breakfast at the Golden Arches (Asoke) 160thb for an average "big breakfast with coffee". Want a burger ? on soi 11 - at least 250thb. Ridiculous prices.

Terminal 21 ...A wide variety of good food for less than 60 baht.  A full English Breakfast or a Sunday roast on Soi 4 less than 400 baht including drinks.

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17 hours ago, Metapod said:

Exchange rate is bad, costs are going up, visas are getting a lot harder to get, and more competitive alternatives are arising.

 

it isn't really surprising stuff. Thailand ain't that cheap anymore. Aussie dollar is like 21.7 thb these days. A lot of things are cheaper back in Aus now,

100% true , GBP is now 38.4 to pound and with brexit coming up expected once uk is out of EU the pound can drop within 5 years to 29 baht to pound as UK will have to have a low pound for exports to bring money in to UK so even fewer brits will be coming and EURO will go the same way down , thailand needs to devalue the thai baht to 70 baht to the GBP to get tourists back , i myself am not going back to pattaya or if i do it wont be for more than 2 months as i usually have 6 months off work at a time so i will be going to another cheaper place than thailand , put it this way if i pick up a girl in pattaya nightclub take her home she will want 2,000 baht almost 60 pounds for 1 squirt or 2 if your not too inibriated , its cheaper in england .

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57 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Terminal 21 ...A wide variety of good food for less than 60 baht.  A full English Breakfast or a Sunday roast on Soi 4 less than 400 baht including drinks.

Thanks. Yep Terminal 21 is great - a full 3 course meal for 100thb. Beat that . Hmmm English breakfast / Sunday roast for 400thb NOT good value my friend. That's $20aud - Aussies can do much better at home.Wouldn't pay that much for a meal especially after being stung for a very average meal on soi 11.

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