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Thai tourism in trouble: And competitor Vietnam is "scary" for Pattaya


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19 hours ago, madmen said:

communist government with a shocking human rights record, they can do what they like with you. Would not want to be on the wrong side of the law over there

It isn't so great here either. They will take you for every satang they can get.

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Exchange rate is bad, costs are going up, visas are getting a lot harder to get, and more competitive alternatives are arising.   it isn't really surprising stuff. Thailand ain't that cheap

Taxi company I use for my biz was always somewhat arrogant but did the job so stuck with them.   the other week was going away myself, owner was crying how quite it is.    Anyhow a

That´s great news! Maybe the bigger part of all foreign criminalty in Thailand can move to Vietnam too. Then this nice country can go back to what it once was.

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It's not misleading. My visa is officially based on retirement,and the financial requirements have been the same for many years,with a few changes this year. You and other "tourists" can go on with your border hopping and continuously whining about Immigration and changes. 
Semantics
You and everybody else who is here on a visa of any kind is not settled in the sense that you have any rights to stay here

I think the other poster is trying to establish that you are not a resident, so not exactly a fixture of Thailand
In that sense everybody on any visa is purely a guest (tourist) as it can be revoked

Maybe I have misinterpreted the gist of it......

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21 hours ago, kinyara said:

Retrospectively when you apply for your annual extension 9 months later.

So, yet another bank letter required.  Right?

 

More paperwork.  More bureaucracy. My running around.  More expense.  No bank letters need in Vietnam.

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20 hours ago, Max69xl said:

I am an expat and have been living here for years. I don't personally see my life here as costly. My rent is 25-30% cheaper than in my home country. I am staying in a 76 sqm condo for a really low price. I have no problems what so ever at the local Immigration office. I have timed every needed visit with my 90 days reports. I can't complain about anything than maybe crappy exchange rates. But I can't do anything about that. Nothing to get a heart attack from. 😬

Imaging a similar lifestyle, in a similar climate and environment, where your rent was 60% to 70% cheaper than your home country for the same sized condo, with a pay as you go visa, just pay the money and here is your visa, no other hoops to jump through, where you only see immigration once a year, at a boarder, well, that place is called Vietnam.  🙂

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20 hours ago, Max69xl said:

I don't listen to them, and I am quite sure quite a few posters here don't have a clue about rules and regulations at the moment. Some are still posting info about 1 year visas in VN, when they actually have stopped issuing them. 

Have you ever been to Vietnam?  If so, how long did you stay?

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20 hours ago, Max69xl said:

Just let the whiners go there. Then wait and see how long they will stay. 

Well, the western tourists are certainly going there now.  Do you think Thailand will be able to lure them back in the future?

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20 hours ago, Max69xl said:

The visa system in VN is not easier at the moment. Nothing in my opinion can be easier than the 1 year extension here which takes me less than 5min every time. I am also staying 5min from Immigration.

Ease is one thing, what about cost?  And yes, the 800k, 400k which you can not use, in a useless Thai bank account, should be included in the cost. 

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6 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Well, the western tourists are certainly going there now.  Do you think Thailand will be able to lure them back in the future?

Why do you think Thailand even wants them back?  The purposely took steps to make them leave.  Take a hint, and stop whining.  Geez

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20 hours ago, kinyara said:

Well possibly like you they may consider it cheap and easy, thus, more user friendly but actually choose to stay in Thailand for some bizarre reason best known to themselves.

This is because I have actively sort a Plan B to Thailand.  Things are changing in Thailand.  It's not only the visa laws, it's the demographics of the tourists as well. 

 

If / when they introduce a junk health insurance policy for 100k baht, I will definitely be going to Vietnam.  It would be different if such a policy actually gave proper coverage, but a policy that covers basically nothing, on top of my existing expensive policy that covers me well, will see me go to Vietnam. 

 

It's not about being unable to pay, but more about the 100k going into the hands of a military lead government who have set up their own "accredited" insurance companies to profit immensely from foreigners. 

 

If / when things go pear shape here, I know exactly where I will be going, right down to the condo block.  I have already set up a bank account and a sim card.  So, I have looked right into Vietnam's visa system, and my information is current.  

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20 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Tax Residents in Vietnam have to pay tax on their worldwide income at progressive taxrates. Therefore, salary earned from working abroad is taxable in Vietnam.

 

Horrible alternative for young people that earn income to thailand. Might be ok as a retiree.

 

 

Firstly, most expats in Vietnam are retired.  They are living there on a 5 year multiple entry marriage visa, or a 3 month tourist visas, extended within Vietnam 3 times, for a 1 year stay.  Obviously, they pay no income tax.

 

After reading your post I contacted an English teacher in Vietnam I know, because I was interested in their income tax rates.  He told me the school pays him cash at the end of every month, and he was living there on tourists visas.  He said this is the way it works for most English teachers. 

 

So, no taxes, and left alone by the police / immigration. 

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20 hours ago, Max69xl said:

Don't compare tourists with expats, it's not same thing. that's not what this thread is about. 

This thread actually is about tourism.

 

I suggest that today's tourist is tomorrow's expat.

 

So, if a westerner frequently holidays to Vietnam, fair chance they will aspire to retiree to Vietnam.

 

I can't see Mr. Wong from China and Mr. Patel from India retiring in Thailand in the future.  Just think about that. 

 

It's holidays that advertise a country to perspective retiree expats, and with Thailand rapidly losing the western tourist market, I can't see the Chinese and Indians replacing the western expats that have passed on. 

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21 minutes ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Why do you think Thailand even wants them back?  The purposely took steps to make them leave.  Take a hint, and stop whining.  Geez

Why do you think the Thai guy in the OP called Vietnam "scary."  Geez, if a Thai can see it, surely you can.  🤣

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20 hours ago, madmen said:

That is from  the Vietnam tourism website the equivalent to TAT lol. 

Get me non fake news

The TAT is famous for rubbery figures.  No need for Vietnam's Tourism Authority to deceive when they know they are going so well.

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Until it isn't anymore and too many people come, aka the chinese.

 

I don't get it into my head how someone can expatriate on a touri visa, it's just waiting for trouble to happen, might be ok as young backpacker but not for someone with a serious life.

 

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Whats the difference between a tourist visa and a retirement visa in Thailand as far as regulations that could be changed at any future point?

 

The only difference in a practical aspect is the terminology surely. They can all be revoked, altered or modified in any number of ways that may not suit the future applicant or current holder

 

Probably the only way to avoid all the challenges would be to become a resident.....

 

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20 hours ago, KhunFred said:

You can stay forever on a tourist visa in Vietnam. They don't split hairs on strict definitions like Thailand does.

Correct.

 

20 hours ago, KhunFred said:

With a tourist visa, you will have to cross the border every ninety days.

Not correct.  A 3 month tourist visa can be extended inside Vietnam 3 times, which equals 1 year, before you have to cross a board and come straight back in again.

20 hours ago, KhunFred said:

SInce Vietnam is progressive, I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before they fine tune their visa process

I agree.  Only a matter of time before they introduce a retirement visa similar to Thailand.  

21 hours ago, KhunFred said:

The Philippines is currently the standard bearer for sane visa regulations.

Malaysia has the best package for retirees.  The Malaysia My 2nd Home scheme.

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