Gweiloman Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 They don't want farang retiring here. Simple. The Thai elites have been waiting for decades for the opportunity to rid Thailand of non rich foreign pensioners. They believe their opportunity has come with the arrival of the Chinese middle and upper classes. They will happily and quickly replace farang with their Chinese cousins. If you goto immigration, you will see plenty of Chinese. If you watch for who is buying Thai real estate, you will likewise see many Chinese. What nonsense. Chinese citizens wishing to live here long term have to fulfill the exact same requirements as farangs and are subject to the exact same laws (property ownership etc)Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 22 hours ago, RBOP said: 10. Copy of TM.30 (new instruction...report residence by the house owner. As you're the owner, I have to check if you have to do or not.). My understanding not needed as we are all in my yellow book. We also have our pink cards and/or drivers licences. Yellow book does not negate need to do TM 30 if house owner, IMO. Your requirements seem far more onerous than for a normal retirement extension. In my case an agent made all the problems go away. Bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Why is Thailand making it so difficult to retire The million dollar question. Might as well ask why they burn every year and make everyone sick, for all the good that would come of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simtemple Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 18 hours ago, marcusarelus said: To be fair do you know another Asian country that is less xenophobic than Thailand. I only speak from experience but Korea and Japan are 10 times more xenophobic than Thailand. The Philippines welcomes everyone, including retirees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csmith Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 So what is the problem? .… get the paperwork together and submit it … with a smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Seeall said: May I ask what bank and account you are using to gain that rate? SCB have posters on the wall advertising 1.9% for 7 months (just saw it when paying my home loan this morning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo Posted July 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, spidermike007 said: The fact that I complain does not mean I do not love Thailand, my lifestyle, and most of the Thai people. I don't love Thailand or the Thai people, it's a dirty polluted country with a corrupt government and greedy selfish people. But most of the time I can avoid all that and my kids are lovely, which is why I'm still here. Edited July 24, 2019 by BritManToo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 46 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Why? You'd need to ask the British (or EU government) that. One of the reasons I want Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fex Bluse Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: What nonsense. Chinese citizens wishing to live here long term have to fulfill the exact same requirements as farangs and are subject to the exact same laws (property ownership etc) Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Did you look up that information on a form or website somewhere? I also note there is no prostitution or corruption in Thailand. Well, there could not be, could there? It's against the law. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 19 hours ago, marcusarelus said: To be fair do you know another Asian country that is less xenophobic than Thailand. I only speak from experience but Korea and Japan are 10 times more xenophobic than Thailand. Is there any other country in Asia, or indeed the world who has this 90 day reporting and TM 28 and 30 nonsense? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, BritManToo said: You'd need to ask the British (or EU government) that. One of the reasons I want Brexit. People can (note the word can) apply for permanent resident status and then can (note that word can again) apply for British Citizenship. Both will be subject to the rules in force at the time of application. Are you suggesting it's automatic in some way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post murraynz Posted July 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, connda said: New motto: Good guys playing by the rules out; Bad guys paying agents in. `not everybody who pays an agent, is bad....i pay an agent, my application is 100% legit, bank deposits etc.. i just cant stand the 'ever changing' requests from immigration people... the agent does everything, in very quick time... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiBunny Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, possum1931 said: Is there any other country in Asia, or indeed the world who has this 90 day reporting and TM 28 and 30 nonsense? A Google search "countries where foreigners must report their address" will give the answer, always assuming you're actually interested in finding out, rather than just having an anti-Thailand rant. First on the results list is Croatia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 hours ago, ianezy0 said: I sometimes think that that is what the IO’s prefer you to use an agent. This way they get a slice of the action under the table. If you do everything yourself then the 1900BHT goes directly to the government. Doesn't the government and IO's work together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianezy0 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, possum1931 said: Doesn't the government and IO's work together? Yes but with an agent the government gets the 1900 and the IO gets whatever the agent puts in an envelope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kurtf Posted July 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2019 I think you have got the picture. We are not wanted. If we were wanted they would be doing everything in their power to make it less onerous and difficult. They would be greasing the wheels of bureaucracy but they have been doing the exact opposite. So it is painfully obvious to the most casual observer, farangs are being discouraged about retiring in the land of smiles. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, Kurtf said: I think you have got the picture. We are not wanted. If we were wanted they would be doing everything in their power to make it less onerous and difficult. They would be greasing the wheels of bureaucracy but they have been doing the exact opposite. So it is painfully obvious to the most casual observer, farangs are being discouraged about retiring in the land of smiles. I would add that it's not about shaking out all foreigners and is more like they have raised the financial bar. Go Elite. OR. Season your money much longer than before. OR. Transfer in full requirements money (to the lucky nationals) when before the annual import requirement was ZERO. OR. The corruption path, also about money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc925 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Thailand is screwing with their future. I was just told today after being on a retirement visa for four years, and I show consistent income that because I'm an American, my income statements me nothing (now registering as married here) and that I am forced to make the minimal deposit of 400k because I am married. I predict the continual undoing of Thailand; their economy is truly in the toilet though they may try to paint a facade of success. More and more expats I know are moving to Vietnam and other places. Too bad to see Thailand going down the toilet so quickly. Sabai good bye 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tingtongtourist Posted July 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kurtf said: I think you have got the picture. We are not wanted. If we were wanted they would be doing everything in their power to make it less onerous and difficult. They would be greasing the wheels of bureaucracy but they have been doing the exact opposite. So it is painfully obvious to the most casual observer, farangs are being discouraged about retiring in the land of smiles. OR it could be their simple explanation is the truest.. they just checking people have 800k in the bank instead of lieing about it through a BS embassy letter or agent. I dont know of many countries that let you in if your flat broke unless you are refugee and come in a leaky boat of course. and really 800k baht is not a lot. its a decent hospital bill, 3 month living expense, and ticket home if you should have some bad run of luck and need to get out. Many posters say they wouldnt dare to live here without at least 1-2million in backup, and i tend to agree with them 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumballl Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, johnc925 said: Thailand is screwing with their future. I was just told today after being on a retirement visa for four years, and I show consistent income that because I'm an American, my income statements me nothing (now registering as married here) and that I am forced to make the minimal deposit of 400k because I am married. I predict the continual undoing of Thailand; their economy is truly in the toilet though they may try to paint a facade of success. More and more expats I know are moving to Vietnam and other places. Too bad to see Thailand going down the toilet so quickly. Sabai good bye Really? You're married, but opted for the 800K avenue? With that approach, monthly deposits would perhaps be the choice for many; others may just deposit the full amount and be smiling at their next renewal. When married to a Thai, the 400K approach seems more reasonable (although there are associated costs, e,g, the pictures in front of the house, etc.). In the same vein, monthly deposits can be made (or so I understand), but why not just deposit the 400K in one lump sum... and keep it there "forever"? Everybody seems to worry about the financial requirements. I personally am pissed off at the onerous necessity to renew one's stay every freaking year. Is this requirement something that Buddha would like? Heck no! From what I understand, he believed in moderation. The Thai government does not preach Buddhism, much less practicality; otherwise they would drop their nonsense of wasting paper (e,g, massive photocopying of documents) and other environment waste. P.S. Back to my original line of thought, if 400K is too much for you to swallow, please go home. Even with that paltry amount, it is unlikely the US gov't will even allow for your Thai wife to immigrate (and this has nothing to do with the current administration!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thingamabob Posted July 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2019 Thailand is fine for retirees. Don't listen to the moaners and whingers. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyp Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Gumballl said: Really? You're married, but opted for the 800K avenue? With that approach, monthly deposits would perhaps be the choice for many; others may just deposit the full amount and be smiling at their next renewal. When married to a Thai, the 400K approach seems more reasonable (although there are associated costs, e,g, the pictures in front of the house, etc.). In the same vein, monthly deposits can be made (or so I understand), but why not just deposit the 400K in one lump sum... and keep it there "forever"? Everybody seems to worry about the financial requirements. I personally am pissed off at the onerous necessity to renew one's stay every freaking year. Is this requirement something that Buddha would like? Heck no! From what I understand, he believed in moderation. The Thai government does not preach Buddhism, much less practicality; otherwise they would drop their nonsense of wasting paper (e,g, massive photocopying of documents) and other environment waste. P.S. Back to my original line of thought, if 400K is too much for you to swallow, please go home. Even with that paltry amount, it is unlikely the US gov't will even allow for your Thai wife to immigrate (and this has nothing to do with the current administration!). I got married to a Thai this year and I am remaining with the 800k baht method. It worked for me last year and see no reason to change. It is peace of mind for me. It is not sitting there doing nothing. It is buying my presence in Thailand where essentially everything is cheaper than where I come from. It's a net plus (in my eyes) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Teavee Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 hours ago, murraynz said: `not everybody who pays an agent, is bad....i pay an agent, my application is 100% legit, bank deposits etc.. i just cant stand the 'ever changing' requests from immigration people... the agent does everything, in very quick time... Mind if I ask how much your Agent charged for a 100% legit application & what documents you needed to provide ? I've been quoted 8,500 to do mine (Plus 5,000 for a Re-entry Permit) but the lady I spoke to doesn't speak English very well so when I asked her what documentation I needed she just said Passport, but I figure Passport, TM30/Proof of Address, 2 Photos & proof of 800k in the Bank (though can probably get this from the Bank on the day), Oh, and did you need to visit immigration in person (I believe you have to for Extensions). Thx MTV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Mike Teavee said: I've been quoted 8,500 to do mine (Plus 5,000 for a Re-entry Permit) but the lady I spoke to doesn't speak English very well so when I asked her what documentation I needed she just said Passport, but I figure Passport, TM30/Proof of Address, 2 Photos & proof of 800k in the Bank (though can probably get this from the Bank on the day), No, she just means passport, that's all you need through an agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Gumballl said: P.S. Back to my original line of thought, if 400K is too much for you to swallow, please go home. Even with that paltry amount, it is unlikely the US gov't will even allow for your Thai wife to immigrate (and this has nothing to do with the current administration!). Why, 400k/year is more than 4x what most Thai families live on. Edited July 24, 2019 by BritManToo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin612 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I agree, so I believe 6 months in Thailand 6 months somewhere. Darn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookondee Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Martyp said: I got married to a Thai this year and I am remaining with the 800k baht method. It worked for me last year and see no reason to change. It is peace of mind for me. It is not sitting there doing nothing. It is buying my presence in Thailand where essentially everything is cheaper than where I come from. It's a net plus (in my eyes) One good thing about this 800k method, easier to do without a wife knowing. If marriage, and Thai wife knows there is 400k in the bank, how long will it last? lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Teavee Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, BritManToo said: No, she just means passport, that's all you need through an agent. I can understand that being the case for somebody not able to prove the financials but would have thought the costs of that would be higher than 8,500 (15,000 or so) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKresonant Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 21 hours ago, dbrenn said: That sums it up. It's harsh, but you should never make plans that extend beyond the visa expiry date that is stamped in your passport. To do otherwise is running the risk of disappointment if the rules change, as they do. Doesn't only apply to Thailand either, unfortunately. Yes well said, the word "retirement"in the Visa and Extension offerings, perhaps creates an illusion (perhaps not in the past the way it was administered), most folk hopefully will view retirement lasting for many years with a good degree of continuity. I think it is like in the UK, many who have the opportunity to build a nice pension early on, but as they know there is a "State pension" they put it as a low priority, as they think the State Pension will magically may meet their aspirations, without knowing any detail, but for most it won't, and they don't realise for many years. How many Retires would now up-sticks, and move here if they gave it detailed scrutiny with their head, with the heart aspect on pause. But Thailand can still give a magical first impression, that you fall in love with.... It's a miss-match of expectation and reality that causes a lot of grief IMHO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 8:22 AM, RBOP said: So many hoops to jump through. Lucky you, no requirement for a hand drawn map besides the Google-map, and a not more than one week old medical certificate from a hospital, as some of us others need to supply for an extension based on retirement...???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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