No-deal Brexit would be tragedy, EU will stick to agreement: Timmermans

[snoop1130]

No-deal Brexit would be tragedy, EU will stick to agreement: Timmermans

By Gabriela Baczynska

 

FILE PHOTO - European Commission First Vice-President Frans Timmermans addresses a news conference during a European Union's General Affairs Council in Brussels, Belgium, February 27, 2018. REUTERS/Francois Lenoir/File Photo

 

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - A no-deal Brexit would be a tragedy for both the EU and Britain but the bloc will stick to its withdrawal agreement with London, a deputy head of the European Commission said on Tuesday.

 

Frans Timmermans was speaking as Boris Johnson was named leader of Britain’s governing Conservative Party. He will take over from Theresa May as prime minister on Wednesday.

 

Johnson, a leader of the Brexit campaign before the 2016 EU membership referendum, has repeatedly expressed his intention to either renegotiate the stalled divorce agreement with the bloc or leave without a deal by Oct. 31.

 

“A no-deal Brexit, a hard Brexit, would be a tragedy - for all sides, not just for the United Kingdom,” Timmermans told a news conference. “We are all going to suffer if that happens.”

 

“The United Kingdom reached an agreement with the European Union and the European Union will stick to that agreement,” Timmermans said. “We will hear what the new prime minister has to say when he comes to Brussels... This is the best deal possible.”

 

The EU is bracing for a no-deal Brexit, or another delay to Britain’s departure, should Johnson follow through on his promises as Britain’s leader.

 

A colleague of Timmermans at the EU’s executive Commission, which negotiates Brexit for the 27 remaining member states, published a column on Tuesday, lashing out at Johnson’s “cheap promises, simplified visions, blatantly evident incorrect statements” about the EU.

 

The Lithuanian commissioner responsible for health and food safety in the EU, Vytenis Andriukaitis, made a link between Johnson’s Brexit campaign and Soviet-era fact distortion.

 

“I care when democracy is taken hostage and used as a pawn in political games,” said Andriukaitis, who was born and lived for decades in the Soviet Union, which collapsed in 1991. “I will be present to actively defend the EU.”

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-07-23

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[kingdong]

the real tragedy would be if the uk stayed in the eu,forget britain for one minute and look at the rest of the eu,how long can it carry on for?the economic migrant crisis,bankrupt greece,the economies of the "club med" members,the eu realises this and the only reason they want us to remain is for our contribution,and the reason so many "remainer"mps want to stay in is its a nice little earner for them to get a job as a mep when they get voted out.well sorry boys and girls,that gravy trains going to hit the buffers.

[Loiner]

No tragedy for the UK at all. For the EU it’s the beginning of the end for their federal utopia and their personal gravy trains.


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[smedly]

whatever agreement the EU thinks it had with the UK is long gone

 

you are not dealing with the weak T May and the traitor Olly Robbins

 

you want to punish the UK go ahead - if you want us to buy your Mercs and BMW's then make them in the UK - we have had enough of the BS 

 

And British steel will stay in the UK we will make our own stuff

 

The EU will collapse without the UK ………...Germany and France will effectively abandon the other 25 - 2 speed Europe - look it up

 

we are getting out of a wannabee military empire - it has all happened before

 

what was wrong with free trade amongst the EU nations - that is what we signed up to it has gone way beyond that

 

The British people want no part of it, our country has been raped and shackled by Germany and France, anyone ever wonder what happened to our UK industries - they were divided between Germany and France - why did we become so inept ?

 

Time for us to have faith and stop the rot, the EU is shit scared of us dropping our corporation tax and becoming the nation we have always been - never forget were the UK was before we joined this trade pact that is no longer a trade pact

 

we need to get as far away from this as possible, Germany and France will effectively leave the EU after Brexit - they will separate themselves (effectively leaving) without any ART50 because they can do what they want

 

do a google search - two speed Europe  

[simple1]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

whatever agreement the EU thinks it had with the UK is long gone

 

you are not dealing with the weak T May and the traitor Olly Robbins

 

you want to punish the UK go ahead - if you want us to buy your Mercs and BMW's then make them in the UK - we have had enough of the BS 

 

And British steel will stay in the UK we will make our own stuff

 

The EU will collapse without the UK ………...Germany and France will effectively abandon the other 25 - 2 speed Europe - look it up

 

we are getting out of a wannabee military empire - it has all happened before

 

what was wrong with free trade amongst the EU nations - that is what we signed up to it has gone way beyond that

 

The British people want no part of it, our country has been raped and shackled by Germany and France, anyone ever wonder what happened to our UK industries - they were divided between Germany and France - why did we become so inept ?

 

Time for us to have faith and stop the rot, the EU is shit scared of us dropping our corporation tax and becoming the nation we have always been - never forget were the UK was before we joined this trade pact that is no longer a trade pact

 

we need to get as far away from this as possible, Germany and France will effectively leave the EU after Brexit - they will separate themselves (effectively leaving) without any ART50 because they can do what they want

 

do a google search - two speed Europe  

Can you provide evidence of your claims? I've just read an essay which to me makes sense.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/fast-forward-to-two-speed-europe/

[Thailand]

Hopefully Britains Trump will be one of the shortest serving UK pm's on record.

Unfortunately he will not have the balls to go to the country on a deal, no deal ,remain referendum and the hurt will continue.

[terryw]

The EU and Remoaners still don't get it. The main reason for voting Brexit was never economic, but the belief that we can better manage the UK outside the EU.

[arithai12]

24 minutes ago, terryw said:

The EU and Remoaners still don't get it. The main reason for voting Brexit was never economic, but the belief that we can better manage the UK outside the EU.

Good point. However, the recent history has shown that your Parliament cannot manage much except back-stabbing and personal agendas.

 

[kamahele]

12 hours ago, kingdong said:

the real tragedy would be if the uk stayed in the eu,forget britain for one minute and look at the rest of the eu,how long can it carry on for?the economic migrant crisis,bankrupt greece,the economies of the "club med" members,the eu realises this and the only reason they want us to remain is for our contribution,and the reason so many "remainer"mps want to stay in is its a nice little earner for them to get a job as a mep when they get voted out.well sorry boys and girls,that gravy trains going to hit the buffers.

I don't think the EU wants the UK to stay in for the contribution only. The UK has benefited hugely from being in the EU, something that BREXIT supporters seem to forget. The deal has been good for Europe as a whole and the UK.

[JonnyF]

As soon As May leaves, the EU start to blink. What a tragedy that we had such a weak, pathetic PM to lead us through the negotiations.

 

Now let's see if Boris can negotiate his way through the conniving, duplicitous, devious cesspit that is currently the House of Commons. I am confident he will do his best, but the anti democratic Remainers are going to make it very difficult.  

[Pique Dard]

4 hours ago, smedly said:

 

And British steel will stay in the UK we will make our own stuff 

go ahead trump!

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, kamahele said:

I don't think the EU wants the UK to stay in for the contribution only. The UK has benefited hugely from being in the EU, something that BREXIT supporters seem to forget. The deal has been good for Europe as a whole and the UK.

Like how?

[welovesundaysatspace]

44 minutes ago, terryw said:

The EU and Remoaners still don't get it. The main reason for voting Brexit was never economic, but the belief that we can better manage the UK outside the EU.

What exactly do you plan to manage when your economy is screwed? The screwed economy? 

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

As soon As May leaves, the EU start to blink.

The Return of The Easiest Deal In History and They Need Us More Than We Need Them. 

 

 

 

[transam]

2 hours ago, kamahele said:

I don't think the EU wants the UK to stay in for the contribution only. The UK has benefited hugely from being in the EU, something that BREXIT supporters seem to forget. The deal has been good for Europe as a whole and the UK.

But we have nowhere to house them....????

[transam]

8 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

What exactly do you plan to manage when your economy is screwed? The screwed economy? 

I see you got your dodgy..........out again....????

[BritManToo]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

but the bloc will stick to its withdrawal agreement with London

I didn't think any agreement had been reached?

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, smedly said:

whatever agreement the EU thinks it had with the UK is long gone

 

you are not dealing with the weak T May and the traitor Olly Robbins

 

you want to punish the UK go ahead - if you want us to buy your Mercs and BMW's then make them in the UK - we have had enough of the BS 

 

And British steel will stay in the UK we will make our own stuff

 

The EU will collapse without the UK ………...Germany and France will effectively abandon the other 25 - 2 speed Europe - look it up

 

we are getting out of a wannabee military empire - it has all happened before

 

what was wrong with free trade amongst the EU nations - that is what we signed up to it has gone way beyond that

 

The British people want no part of it, our country has been raped and shackled by Germany and France, anyone ever wonder what happened to our UK industries - they were divided between Germany and France - why did we become so inept ?

 

Time for us to have faith and stop the rot, the EU is shit scared of us dropping our corporation tax and becoming the nation we have always been - never forget were the UK was before we joined this trade pact that is no longer a trade pact

 

we need to get as far away from this as possible, Germany and France will effectively leave the EU after Brexit - they will separate themselves (effectively leaving) without any ART50 because they can do what they want

 

do a google search - two speed Europe  

And still the delusion persists. 

 

whatever agreement the EU thinks it had with the UK is long gone

The deal is still on the table, it's the only deal on offer.

 

you are not dealing with the weak T May and the traitor Olly Robbins

Putting aside your use of the term 'traitor',  replacing T May with an incompetent bare faced liar is not an improvement. 

 

you want to punish the UK go ahead - if you want us to buy your Mercs and BMW's then make them in the UK - we have had enough of the BS

The withdrawal of club privileges from someone who by their own volition leaves the club is not a punishment, its a natural outcome of leaving the club. 

 

And British steel will stay in the UK we will make our own stuff

Steel is a commodity, its price determined by the international markets, good luck with your '1970s' economics on that. You clearly do not understand the extent of integration between what's left of British manufacturing and its international suppliers, let alone the need for a market for goods produced. 

 

 

The British people want no part of it, our country has been raped and shackled by Germany and France, anyone ever wonder what happened to our UK industries - they were divided between Germany and France - why did we become so inept ?

You seem to have missed the point that all those people referred to as 'Remainers' are not British people Brexiteers can speak for. You seem  also to have forgotten that it was Thatcherism and the Tory policies of a 'post industrial'  Britain that decimated British manufacturing  industry. 

 

Time for us to have faith and stop the rot, the EU is shit scared of us dropping our corporation tax and becoming the nation we have always been - never forget were the UK was before we joined this trade pact that is no longer a trade pact

How can anybody forget the 'Poor Man of Europe'. (News just in, the Empire has fallen and the Commonwealth have moved on without you).

 

 

we need to get as far away from this as possible, Germany and France will effectively leave the EU after Brexit - they will separate themselves (effectively leaving) without any ART50 because they can do what they want

An opinion millions of Britains disagree with. 

 

do a google search - two speed Europe  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_IMF_crisis

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I didn't think any agreement had been reached?

You are correct insomuch as the UK Parliament (example of existing sovereignty) has not ratified the agreement, but the agreement has been made between the other EU members that this is the deal agreed during negotiations.

 

The key point being that the problem of the agreement resides entirely within the UK, not the EU. 

 

Johnson can promise what he likes, but at the end of the day he has to get any deal he wishes to make, or no deal, past Parliament. 

 

He can't even unite his own party let alone Parliament or the nation. 

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are correct insomuch as the UK Parliament (example of existing sovereignty) has not ratified the agreement, but the agreement has been made between the other EU members that this is the deal agreed during negotiations.

 

The key point being that the problem of the agreement resides entirely within the UK, not the EU. 

 

Johnson can promise what he likes, but at the end of the day he has to get any deal he wishes to make, or no deal, past Parliament. 

 

He can't even unite his own party let alone Parliament or the nation. 

Key point is that this "agreement" cannot be agreed because it is a one-sided, EU promoted, punishment of the UK. Why do you think they were all smiles when they thought they had it in the bag?

[cleopatra2]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Key point is that this "agreement" cannot be agreed because it is a one-sided, EU promoted, punishment of the UK. Why do you think they were all smiles when they thought they had it in the bag?

The UK representative signed the deal.

[JonnyF]

17 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The UK representative signed the deal.

You think Theresa May was representing the UK?

 

Besides, Parliament has to ratify it and they won't. It's dead, thankfully.

[BritManToo]

17 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

The UK representative signed the deal.

I doubt anyone had the authority to sign any deal on behalf of the UK without it being ratified by parliament.

It's a bit like sex, you can say 'no' at any time, and it's all off.

[cleopatra2]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You think Theresa May was representing the UK?

 

Besides, Parliament has to ratify it and they won't. It's dead, thankfully.

That is the key

For Parliament to vote it down a deal must have been agreed.

 

See CRaG legislation

[cleopatra2]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I doubt anyone had the authority to sign any deal on behalf of the UK without it being ratified by parliament.

It's a bit like sex, you can say 'no' at any time, and it's all off.

The deal is signed subject to ratification under CRaG

T May represents the UK at international level

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I doubt anyone had the authority to sign any deal on behalf of the UK without it being ratified by parliament.

You’re right, same as I doubt anyone had the authority to declare an advisory referendum binding on behalf of the UK without changing the constitution. 

 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I didn't think any agreement had been reached?

 

Correct. May conned the EU into believing she could deliver "their deal". Because she originally thought she'd use the RP and do it by executive decision and by-pass parliament. When she couldn't she was screwed and even dumb enough to throw her parliamentary majority away on a gamble. That put her deal open to scrutiny - and all saw what a one sided croq-of-shit she and her lame team of numpties had negotiated. Cough up a very very large sum, seemingly a figure plucked from thin air; sign up to be under our rule with no say in anything till we agree otherwise; and we might think about giving you a nice trade agreement - sometime when it suits us!

 

Whether you are a remainer or brexiter, the May's deal was and still is crap. No parliament is going to accept that. 

 

The way to play this is to revoke Article 50 - that negates a time pressure on the UK and throws the ball firmly back in the EU's caught. Come up with a sensible deal offer or we'll apply Article 50 again whenever it suits us. 

 

Had the UK negotiators been up to the job, they should have extracted 2 offers from the EU. A sensible Breixt divorce deal and a revised better terms to stay deal. Those deals could have then been put to the UK electorate. As it was the numpty May and her dopes played into the EU's hands.

[Baerboxer]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You’re right, same as I doubt anyone had the authority to declare an advisory referendum binding on behalf of the UK without changing the constitution. 

 

 

Absolutely correct. Cameron tried to pretend the referendum was legally binding, no full well it could never be. May sought to cheat parliament and implement it by executive decision illegally using the Royal Prerogative. 

 

History shouldn't, quite rightly, treat either well.

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

The way to play this is to revoke Article 50 - that negates a time pressure on the UK and throws the ball firmly back in the EU's caught. Come up with a sensible deal offer or we'll apply Article 50 again whenever it suits us. 

 

The way to play this is to leave with no deal.

Cancel all current contracts with EU companies, pay nothing and walk away.

If everyone needs to plant 'victory gardens' for a year or two, so be it.

 

If I were in charge of the UK, I'd go even further and start conscription and gearing up for war.

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Absolutely correct. Cameron tried to pretend the referendum was legally binding, no full well it could never be. May sought to cheat parliament and implement it by executive decision illegally using the Royal Prerogative. 

 

History shouldn't, quite rightly, treat either well.

Not so fast Tonto, the UK doesn't have a codified constitution, it has an unwritten constitution which means by parliament being sovereign they can change the constitution by an act of parliament.