Chomper Higgot Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 56 minutes ago, nauseus said: Key point is that this "agreement" cannot be agreed because it is a one-sided, EU promoted, punishment of the UK. Why do you think they were all smiles when they thought they had it in the bag? Well that's your take on it. The reality is the deal can't be agreed because there is no consensus on the deal in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, BritManToo said: The way to play this is to leave with no deal. Cancel all current contracts with EU companies, pay nothing and walk away. If everyone needs to plant 'victory gardens' for a year or two, so be it. If I were in charge of the UK, I'd go even further and start conscription and gearing up for war. And it's only just gone over the yard arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Brexiteers pointing out that Parliament must ratify the deal when they've claimed all along that Parliament has lost sovereignty is a sweet amusement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Well that's your take on it. The reality is the deal can't be agreed because there is no consensus on the deal in the UK. There is at international level and this is an international agreement. It is only because of CRaG and withdrawal act that requires under UK domestic law the deal to be ratified. Any other non EU international agreement does not require ratification. The UK representative is sufficient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said: There is at international level and this is an international agreement. It is only because of CRaG and withdrawal act that requires under UK domestic law the deal to be ratified. Any other non EU international agreement does not require ratification. The UK representative is sufficient Which doesn't explain why the deal can't pass the UK's sovereign Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, BritManToo said: The way to play this is to leave with no deal. Cancel all current contracts with EU companies, pay nothing and walk away. If everyone needs to plant 'victory gardens' for a year or two, so be it. If I were in charge of the UK, I'd go even further and start conscription and gearing up for war. What war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: You think Theresa May was representing the UK? Besides, Parliament has to ratify it and they won't. It's dead, thankfully. What are the T&Cs you object to? Why do you believe a Hard Brexit is the way to go, when nearly all observers are saying Hard Brexit will be very damaging for the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, cleopatra2 said: The UK representative signed the deal. Do you have a copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Well that's your take on it. The reality is the deal can't be agreed because there is no consensus on the deal in the UK. My take and even the HoC's. The reality is it's not even a deal. We are supposed to agree to all this rubbish before we can even start talking about trade? The EU has been in control of the lot and Mrs. May gave way in almost all respects all the way through; Article 50 does not give the EU that right and if Boris has any nous he should remind them of that first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, nauseus said: My take and even the HoC's. The reality is it's not even a deal. We are supposed to agree to all this rubbish before we can even start talking about trade? The EU has been in control of the lot and Mrs. May gave way in almost all respects all the way through; Article 50 does not give the EU that right and if Boris has any nous he should remind them of that first. Who knew?! All filed under ‘Project Fear’ now turning up as reality. The bit where the EU was meant to beg the UK for a deal never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, nauseus said: Do you have a copy? All heads of the member states endorsed the agreement made by negotiators on 14th november during the special summit held on the 25th november Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 57 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said: All heads of the member states endorsed the agreement made by negotiators on 14th november during the special summit held on the 25th november The 27 endorsed it, yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, nauseus said: The 27 endorsed it, yes! No all heads endorsed including T.May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1012 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 a tragedy for whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said: No all heads endorsed including T.May I wonder who didn't then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 19 hours ago, kingdong said: the real tragedy would be if the uk stayed in the eu,forget britain for one minute and look at the rest of the eu,how long can it carry on for?the economic migrant crisis,bankrupt greece,the economies of the "club med" members,the eu realises this and the only reason they want us to remain is for our contribution,and the reason so many "remainer"mps want to stay in is its a nice little earner for them to get a job as a mep when they get voted out.well sorry boys and girls,that gravy trains going to hit the buffers. For ONLY that UK contribution into the EU budget.... You forget how much comes back to public AND private funding, also to the UK. Compared to the imports and exports to and from the EU into the UK... just a few pro mille "commission". Remind, that thanks to these EU subsidies, the Eastern EU states develloped to consumers of - among others - also UK goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, puipuitom said: For ONLY that UK contribution into the EU budget.... You forget how much comes back to public AND private funding, also to the UK. Compared to the imports and exports to and from the EU into the UK... just a few pro mille "commission". Remind, that thanks to these EU subsidies, the Eastern EU states develloped to consumers of - among others - also UK goods. You should stop posting this cartoon - it has invalid figures. UK net contribution has gone up and was at 10 billion last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 10 hours ago, smedly said: what was wrong with free trade amongst the EU nations - that is what we signed up to it has gone way beyond that The PM of the UK signed for it as first step in the EU Council, consisting of the heads of states of all EU member states, and was ratified in the HOC. 17 Jul 2008 ... The UK has officially ratified the EU treaty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleopatra2 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, nauseus said: I wonder who didn't then? There is a video of T.May endorsing the agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, John1012 said: a tragedy for whom? For the EU. which has been receiving Billions from Britain which now will stop, Along with getting back control of who can come in the country, and stop free movement of cheap uneducated labour, And end to asset stripping the British people of Jobs that are being relocated to Eastern Europe on cheap grants ,from the EU, WE joined a common trade group Not a quango, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 10 hours ago, smedly said: anyone ever wonder what happened to our UK industries - they were divided between Germany and France - why did we become so inept ? the British industries were nearly bankrumpt because of inefficiencies, not for the last caused by ridiculous labour unions . I never forget the leather belt driven machines at Rowntree Macintosh in York, I had to audit in 1980. Not a museum… "we have nothing better". As the British can no longer rob their colonies over the world, they now have to work for their money. 33 Quintessentially 'British' Brands That Are Not Actually British https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/companies/33-quintessentially-british-brands-that-are-not-actually-british/ss-AAfpa3h 1 Jun 2017 ... For some "British" brands, it's well-known they have foreign owners: Surely ... Brits occasionally fight for their companies to stay in British hands, ... More than half of all shares in UK companies are in foreign hands ... https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/more-than-half-of-all-shares-in-uk-companies-are-in-foreign-hands-after-tata-steel-its-time-to-ask-a6961891.html 31 Mar 2016 ... While the US Congress halted a proposed sale of six ports to the UAE, many UKports are foreign - non-EU - owned. And the capital's biggest ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 7 hours ago, kamahele said: I don't think the EU wants the UK to stay in for the contribution only. The UK has benefited hugely from being in the EU, something that BREXIT supporters seem to forget. The deal has been good for Europe as a whole and the UK. The Brexiteers already forgot how the UK was before it entered the EU. https://www.economist.com/buttonwoods-notebook/2017/07/19/britain-back-to-being-the-sick-man-of-europe https://endthechaos.co.uk/blog/britain-sick-man-europe/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, nauseus said: You should stop posting this cartoon - it has invalid figures. UK net contribution has gone up and was at 10 billion last year. Of course a Brexiteer is NOT interested in ANYthing, what is different as his own ideas,a s THAT is the ONLY truth. You also have to take in view, what came back tot eh PRIVATE part of the UK economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 7 hours ago, JonnyF said: As soon As May leaves, the EU start to blink. What a tragedy that we had such a weak, pathetic PM to lead us through the negotiations. Now let's see if Boris can negotiate his way through the conniving, duplicitous, devious cesspit that is currently the House of Commons. I am confident he will do his best, but the anti democratic Remainers are going to make it very difficult. These members of the House of Commons are electede at 8 June 2017 . So, you write now the British voters were so incompetent, they made such a big mistake then ? Why not for the referendum, in which a mere, neclectagle and totally ignorable 48,11% voted against Brexit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNXexpat Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Exports from UK to Germany -6.1% Exports from Germany to UK -2.3% Both from the beginning of 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 11 hours ago, smedly said: you want to punish the UK go ahead - if you want us to buy your Mercs and BMW's then make them in the UK - we have had enough of the BS And British steel will stay in the UK we will make our own stuff British Steel as well as nearly all British care makers went bankrumpt already. Only and ONLY thanks to foreign capital they still ( ? ) exist. BMW Mini will be migrated to Borne - NL, Honda.. closes, Nissan ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a340bangla1 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 this is getting absolutely boring. As a European, I am really looking forward to the day of Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puipuitom Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, CNXexpat said: Exports from UK to Germany -6.1% Exports from Germany to UK -2.3% Both from the beginning of 2019 https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7851/CBP-7851.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, puipuitom said: Of course a Brexiteer is NOT interested in ANYthing, what is different as his own ideas,a s THAT is the ONLY truth. You also have to take in view, what came back tot eh PRIVATE part of the UK economy. OK give me the true numbers then and not that false cartoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, a340bangla1 said: this is getting absolutely boring. As a European, I am really looking forward to the day of Brexit. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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