Question for those who use an agent for 12 month extension.

[thaiflyer1]

6 hours ago, giddyup said:

Does the immigration official issue a receipt? I doubt it.                     

Doubt away but they do...........heres mine from Jan this year

Yes i agree with you it circumvents the rules, but thats just the way it is........neither the agent nor the receipent have done anything "illegal" its up to Immigration to get their house in order

Edited July 24, 2019 by thaiflyer1
Removed reciept to protect the innocent....lol

[giddyup]

10 minutes ago, The Cobra said:

You may well be right, it stops short term loans or a group passing the same 800k around between them etc, BUT it then funnels more down the agent route and increases the envelope flow. Again, no it isnt right, but its issued by an officer with the authority to do so. Therefore NOT illegal.

Should he be doing it ? is he being paid ? (speculation) who knows, that's an internal immigration matter and as long as things are shared around, Its clear it wont be stopped anytime soon.

  "Abuse of power, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct," is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties. ... Abuse of power can also mean a person using the power they have for their own personal gain."

This being Thailand, it's unlikely that an immigration official would ever be prosecuted, but it would be interesting to read exactly what the "discretionary powers" enable him to do, does it include turning a blind eye to hundreds of falangs who can't or won't meet the financial criteria for kickbacks?

Edited July 24, 2019 by giddyup

[giddyup]

10 minutes ago, thaiflyer1 said:

Doubt away but they do...........heres mine from Jan this year

Yes i agree with you it circumvents the rules, but thats just the way it is........neither the agent nor the receipent have done anything "illegal" its up to Immigration to get their house in order
 

That receipt is for 1900 baht, the right amount if you obtain your extension the usual way. So you're telling me out of the 15,000 or whatever the agent charged you, immigration only took 1900 baht which he paid into the kitty? I suppose the balance went to help crippled children? Personally, I see corruption as illegal.

Edited July 24, 2019 by giddyup

[giddyup]

19 minutes ago, twocatsmac said:

Many expats/long term “tourists” don’t want to deposit or haven’t got a spare 800,000 baht or so. 

This way everyone’s happy, apart from you it seems, this is how it’s always been and will be. 

Live with it. 

Obviously those who circumvent the rules are happy, not sure those of us who try to do the right thing and get shafted for it are. I couldn't care less if people are paying agents to obtain extensions for them that they couldn't get otherwise, what really pisses me off is the total hypocrisy of the system. Turning a blind eye to some, but making others toe the line.

Everyone is happy with a corrupt system until it bites them in the arse.

Edited July 24, 2019 by giddyup

[thaiflyer1]

6 hours ago, giddyup said:

Obviously those who circumvent the rules are happy, not sure those of us who try to do the right thing and get shafted for it are. I couldn't care less if people are paying agents to obtain extensions for them that they couldn't get otherwise, what really pisses me off is the total hypocrisy of the system. Turning a blind eye to some, but making others toe the line.

Everyone is happy with a corrupt system until it bites them in the arse.

Can't argue with you , its all wrong but its just the way it is......as you say its getting harder to stay legit.....and at the end of the day you have 400k on permanant loan to the Thai Govt , nice little earner for them from all the guys who die here with no benefactors

 

I/d prefer it if they said the year extension is 15k and no money in the bank, i/m sure many who use the agents have the funds but can find better ways to invest it than 1% off a Thai bank

 

As you say at the moment its a total hypocrisy, but so many things are here.....

[giddyup]

6 minutes ago, thaiflyer1 said:

Can't argue with you , its all wrong but its just the way it is......as you say its getting harder to stay legit.....and at the end of the day you have 400k on permanant loan to the Thai Govt , nice little earner for them from all the guys who die here with no benefactors

 

I/d prefer it if they said the year extension is 15k and no money in the bank, i/m sure many who use the agents have the funds but can find better ways to invest it than 1% off a Thai bank

 

As you say at the moment its a total hypocrisy, but so many things are here.....

Try 800K for 9 years, never moved from that account, and now they ask me to come back in 90 days with an updated bank book. It is what it is, but doesn't mean I have to like it.

[scubascuba3]

The 12,500 agent charge vs 1,900 extension frees up the use of 800k equivalent elsewhere. I'm relaxed about using the agent method. Plus I don't want to bring in 65k+ a month if I don't need to

[giddyup]

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

The 12,500 agent charge vs 1,900 extension frees up the use of 800k equivalent elsewhere. I'm relaxed about using the agent method. Plus I don't want to bring in 65k+ a month if I don't need to

That's not what I asked.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, giddyup said:

"Abuse of power, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct," is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties.

As no unlawful act took place, there was no malfeasance.

You don't seem to understand the head of immigration offices can do what they like, accept people who can't meet guidelines, reject those who can.

[giddyup]

Just now, BritManToo said:

As no unlawful act took place, there was no malfeasance.

You don't seem to understand the head of immigration offices can do what they like, accept people who can't meet guidelines, reject those who can.

Doing what you like doesn't make it any less corrupt or illegal, just because someone gets away with something doesn't make it right. Unless you could actually read the act that allows officials to use "discretionary powers" we'll never know. You seem to think because someone is the head of something, no wrongdoing takes place. Well, there are two of the ex highest officials in the land who choose not to return to their homeland rather than face the courts. Which ever way you cut it, immigration are overlooking the very rules they introduced. For Money. So please don't piss on my pants and tell me it's raining.

[scubascuba3]

That's not what I asked.

Correct but you've had the answer numerous times already but you're still here

[BritManToo]

25 minutes ago, giddyup said:

You seem to think because someone is the head of something, no wrongdoing takes place.

That's how feudal societies work.

PS. It's been raining all day.

Edited July 24, 2019 by BritManToo

[petermik]

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

 

PS. It's been raining all day.

Lucky you......no such luck here   

[ratcatcher]

38 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Doing what you like doesn't make it any less corrupt or illegal, just because someone gets away with something doesn't make it right. Unless you could actually read the act that allows officials to use "discretionary powers" we'll never know. You seem to think because someone is the head of something, no wrongdoing takes place. Well, there are two of the ex highest officials in the land who choose not to return to their homeland rather than face the courts. Which ever way you cut it, immigration are overlooking the very rules they introduced. For Money. So please don't piss on my pants and tell me it's raining.

You are obviously very disturbed by this system. My suggestion is that you go into the Pattaya Immigration Ofice on Soi 5 Jomtien and ask for the head officer. Tell him your story and see what his reaction is. Bottom line is that you can afford to do the routine version, others are being facilitated by Immigration officials via agents. You live in Pattaya therefore you should know the situation. The way it is seems to be, you have the B800,000 in the bank, result: happiness, others do not so they use agents,  result: happiness.

[wgdanson]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

The 12,500 agent charge vs 1,900 extension frees up the use of 800k equivalent elsewhere. I'm relaxed about using the agent method. Plus I don't want to bring in 65k+ a month if I don't need to

Some of us actually NEED to bring in 65k.

[scubascuba3]

Some of us actually NEED to bring in 65k.

Sure and that's fine, but those of us that don't need 65k a month, no point bringing it in. I gave up golf which was 24k+ a month

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

1 hour ago, giddyup said:

That's not what I asked.

Correct but you've had the answer numerous times already but you're still here

No, I haven't, read my question again.

[wgdanson]

42 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

59 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

Some of us actually NEED to bring in 65k.

Sure and that's fine, but those of us that don't need 65k a month, no point bringing it in. I gave up golf which was 24k+ a month

Kinnel, that was a lot to knock a ball into a hole in the ground.!   LOL

 

What are you doing instead, walking without the interruptions?

Edited July 24, 2019 by wgdanson

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, ratcatcher said:

You are obviously very disturbed by this system. My suggestion is that you go into the Pattaya Immigration Ofice on Soi 5 Jomtien and ask for the head officer. Tell him your story and see what his reaction is. Bottom line is that you can afford to do the routine version, others are being facilitated by Immigration officials via agents. You live in Pattaya therefore you should know the situation. The way it is seems to be, you have the B800,000 in the bank, result: happiness, others do not so they use agents,  result: happiness.

This is why we have a forum, one of it's functions is as a sounding board for injustice and grievances, even if it doesn't actually change anything. If there is too much negativity for you, find a happier post.

[moe666]

7 hours ago, giddyup said:

Not sure there is any online facility for showing the 800K in the bank after 90 days. I have to physically show the updated bank book.

You also need to realize that every extension with agent assist doesn't necessarly involve 800,000, some agents are just doing the paper work and assisting at immigration

[ozbanglamung]

Has anyone actually done a 90 day check in online since they got a retirement visa extension since this 800,000K nonsense became an issue ? I don't renew my Visa under the new system until next year, but when I checked in in May online, there was nothing stating that they needed to see Bankbooks etc, and I seriously doubt they have the capacity or the wherewithal to change the App. I suspect if you check in online, that that requirement slips under the table (no pun intended).

 

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

And by the way there is the third option of removing the middleman and DIY with regards to the extension.

[elliss]

7 hours ago, giddyup said:

There is no doubt the whole system is corrupt. The people who are honest and play by the rules are penalised.

 

             Welcome to Thailand , enjoy your visit .

           Regards , from a fellow Alien...

   

 

 

            

Edited July 24, 2019 by elliss

[elliss]

22 minutes ago, ozbanglamung said:

 

Correct me if I am wrong.

 

And by the way there is the third option of removing the middleman and DIY with regards to the extension.

 

       Lubrication , eases the mechanisms ...

           CC,s never give up .555

 

[fforest1]

5 hours ago, giddyup said:

Obviously those who circumvent the rules are happy, not sure those of us who try to do the right thing and get shafted for it are. I couldn't care less if people are paying agents to obtain extensions for them that they couldn't get otherwise, what really pisses me off is the total hypocrisy of the system. Turning a blind eye to some, but making others toe the line.

Everyone is happy with a corrupt system until it bites them in the arse.

Your the freeloader because you dont pay agent money....Immigration dont like freeloaders....I bet right now they are cooking up new ways to get you uppity 800,000 baht deadbeats to show some respect to the man, by paying your fair share of agent money.... 
 

Edited July 24, 2019 by fforest1

[scubascuba3]

Kinnel, that was a lot to knock a ball into a hole in the ground.!   LOL
 
What are you doing instead, walking without the interruptions?

Lot's of things to do. I prefer bringing money in when i want it rather than them telling me when

[simon43]

It's beyond me why this forum allows discussion of the use of agents to circumvent the 800/400k requirements.  It's plain illegal, no ifs or buts.  These discussions should be closed, just as prostitution discussions are closed...

[wwest5829]

17 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I have several friends who use agents.

They never ask questions and think the less they know the better.

I agree.

But, that is what a person is paying for.

The service and no worries.

My thinking since arriving 8 years ago. The Agency keeps up to date with the changing enforcement nuances and the change in personnel. Thus, my decision to hire the Agency to do my Extension of Stay and 90 Day Reports. Evan at that, this year was stressful as, for the 1st time I had to supply 12 months Bangkok Bank records plus the undated balance letter from Bangkok Bank (monthly income method). The Agency also suggested I supply the outgoing transfer amounts from my US financial institution. In the end, I showed up at Chiang Mai Immigration to get my Passport with new Extension of Stay granted.

Edited July 24, 2019 by wwest5829

[giddyup]

8 minutes ago, simon43 said:

It's beyond me why this forum allows discussion of the use of agents to circumvent the 800/400k requirements.  It's plain illegal, no ifs or buts.  These discussions should be closed, just as prostitution discussions are closed...

According to some responses here it's not illegal at all, and immigration allowing agents to circumvent the rules (for a price) is perfectly legal. I guess after living in Thailand for any length of time you start to see even the most blatent corruption as acceptable or the norm.

[giddyup]

6 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

My thinking since arriving 8 years ago. The Agency keeps up to date with the changing enforcement nuances and the change in personnel. Thus, my decision to hire the Agency to do my Extension of Stay and 90 Day Reports. Evan at that, this year was stressful as, for the 1st time I had to supply 12 months Bangkok Bank records plus the undated balance letter from Bangkok Bank (monthly income method). The Agency also suggested I supply the outgoing transfer amounts from my US financial institution. In the end, I showed up at Chiang Mai Immigration to get my Passport with new Extension of Stay granted.

Not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about those that use agents to circumvent the rules re the 800K in the bank, for 3 months prior and 3 months after the extension. My gripe is not with those who go down that road, but with immigration for creating such a hypocritic situation.

[giddyup]

7 hours ago, fforest1 said:

Your the freeloader because you dont pay agent money....Immigration dont like freeloaders....I bet right now they are cooking up new ways to get you uppity 800,000 baht deadbeats to show some respect to the man, by paying your fair share of agent money.... 
 

You may well be right.