Captain 776 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Why.....waste time n money on an agent. Lived here 14 yrs always did it myself. Now they are so efficient, its crazy to use an agent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FinickyOne Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 1:12 PM, giddyup said: All he had to do was look at my bankbook and see 800K hasn't moved in 9 years, but apparently that's not good enough. I guess you are saying if you use an agent the 90 day report showing funds is waived. just because it has been there for 9 years does not mean that it will be there in 3 months as required... I am not sure why you think that would be proof of the future? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiBunny Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Old Croc said: What do you know about what a tax payer declares or not? The Norwegians do - everyone's tax return is publicly and freely available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 5:05 PM, xylophone said: I guess that answers the question and others re the 800k method and subsequent follow up of same, but it also means that once you opt to go down that route you are tied to that agent (or other agents) for good.......then they can start to ramp up the cost of doing this year after year. The old saying. "they've got you by the short and curlies" springs to mind. There is no doubt this method is illegal, so does one want to live with that hanging over one's head?? Summed up exactly how I would have put it. It also highlights to me, that there are a hell of a lot of Xpats out there who just don't have that small amount of money in savings, i.e. 800,000 baht that they can just leave in the bank. The above said, what the hell did all these Xpats do with their savings over the years worked, dare I ask, I mean how sad is it that they have to rely on corrupt agent/immigration officers to keep them in the country for another year, for a price ranging from 15,000-25,000 baht. It's also sad to see that these Xpats give up there power to these money hungry agents/immigration officers which fuels their greed and if you ask me, I agree, tomorrows increase is your own making and if the 90 day reporting becomes a convenient issue because they have become hungrier, that could be another 5,000 baht every 90 days for example, what then. Foruntately for those of us who have managed to work, think, save, and know when to say no to corrupted agents/immigration officers, can honestly say with pride that they have nothing over us and never will, excluding the chicken feed of 100 to 500 baht I have donated to cops/immigration officers over time, but 15,000-25,000 all I can say is Som Nam Na ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emptypockets Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I wonder what the ratio of those with funds using agents for convenience versus those with no funds using the agents as a necessity? It would have to be 1:10 or somewhere around there is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Old Croc said: An internal matter, not related to the grant of the extension. The tax department in your country or Thailand's version? What do you know about what a tax payer declares or not? Don't talk wet, without the monetary payment the extension would not be granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: Summed up exactly how I would have put it. It also highlights to me, that there are a hell of a lot of Xpats out there who just don't have that small amount of money in savings, i.e. 800,000 baht that they can just leave in the bank. The above said, what the hell did all these Xpats do with their savings over the years worked, dare I ask, I mean how sad is it that they have to rely on corrupt agent/immigration officers to keep them in the country for another year, for a price ranging from 15,000-25,000 baht. It's also sad to see that these Xpats give up there power to these money hungry agents/immigration officers which fuels their greed and if you ask me, I agree, tomorrows increase is your own making and if the 90 day reporting becomes a convenient issue because they have become hungrier, that could be another 5,000 baht every 90 days for example, what then. Foruntately for those of us who have managed to work, think, save, and know when to say no to corrupted agents/immigration officers, can honestly say with pride that they have nothing over us and never will, excluding the chicken feed of 100 to 500 baht I have donated to cops/immigration officers over time, but 15,000-25,000 all I can say is Som Nam Na ???? Generally agree. I would never go the agent route myself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 1:20 PM, giddyup said: Doesn't answer my question as to how an agent overcomes the 90 day updated bank book, and of course the 800K is supposed to be in the bank 3 months prior to the extension, how do they show that? Maybe immigration receives an "incentive" to look the other way when an agent they have recommended is involved? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malibukid Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, The Cobra said: You may well be right, it stops short term loans or a group passing the same 800k around between them etc, BUT it then funnels more down the agent route and increases the envelope flow. Again, no it isnt right, but its issued by an officer with the authority to do so. Therefore NOT illegal. Should he be doing it ? is he being paid ? (speculation) who knows, that's an internal immigration matter and as long as things are shared around, Its clear it wont be stopped anytime soon. i thought prostitution was illegal? Edited July 25, 2019 by malibukid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, jacko45k said: Don't talk wet, without the monetary payment the extension would not be granted. I'll try to explain it a different way so you can understand. I'm discussing legislation and legalities, you're talking morality and indignation. (interesting saying, haven't heard it before.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodsak Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Captain 776 said: Why.....waste time n money on an agent. Lived here 14 yrs always did it myself. Now they are so efficient, its crazy to use an agent. Try doing it yourself when you don't have 800k. Many people waste time and money on an agent because they don't have 800k, or don't want to tie up 800k. Crazy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraynz Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, emptypockets said: I wonder what the ratio of those with funds using agents for convenience versus those with no funds using the agents as a necessity? It would have to be 1:10 or somewhere around there is my guess. you are guessing very wildly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, jacko45k said: The requirement is not having 800k in the bank for the last 9 years, but 2 months prior and 3 months after the extension. Depends what you require of the agent....immigration may not ask to see the money post application when obtained using an agent. You appear not to have used an agent so why do you care? I care because for the first time they have introduced reporting back after 90 days with an updated bankbook, another hoop for those complying to jump through. Whereas those who are doing it illegally are not asked to verify money in the bank, or asked to report back after 90 days with an updated bank book. Do you see the disparity and unfairness in this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, Krataiboy said: Maybe immigration receives an "incentive" to look the other way when an agent they have recommended is involved? Oh really? Who would have thought? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, giddyup said: Do you see the disparity and unfairness in this? The cynic in me sees an attempt to push more towards agent use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, Old Croc said: I'll try to explain it a different way so you can understand. I'm discussing legislation and legalities, you're talking morality and indignation. (interesting saying, haven't heard it before.) Unless we had privy to what "discretion" the immigration officer can use, we'll never know if it's legal or not, but the process agents are using to cover the 800K in the bank is fraud plain and simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 58 minutes ago, jacko45k said: I suspect taking monetary payment above the 1900 baht to do so, and not declaring it for tax purposes is illegal. I would also imagine that the agents are committing some kind of fraud as well. Otherwise how would you show that the 800K Has been in the account for 3 months before and after the extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, giddyup said: I would also imagine that the agents are committing some kind of fraud as well. Otherwise how would you show that the 800K Has been in the account for 3 months before and after the extension. We all know they are not required to. The money is only in there long enough to generate the bank letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ54 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 1:17 PM, ThaiBunny said: All he had to do was look at my bankbook and see 800K hasn't moved in 9 years Does it show from a source outside Thailand.... I think that was one of the requirements.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onera1961 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, malibukid said: i thought prostitution was illegal? Still they open up brothels after brothels fronting ad bars, pimp girls as bar managers and many expats participate in that trade but I don't see any body talking about this illegal activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, jacko45k said: We all know they are not required to. The money is only in there long enough to generate the bank letter. Then the compliance with immigration rules has not been met. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumrit Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, onera1961 said: Still they open up brothels after brothels fronting ad bars, pimp girls as bar managers and many expats participate in that trade but I don't see any body talking about this illegal activity. Two wrongs don't make a right. Illegally obtaining an extension without having to funds in the bank to do so is STILL just as wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, DJ54 said: Does it show from a source outside Thailand.... I think that was one of the requirements.. It was transferred from Australia 9 years ago, that's not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, giddyup said: Then the compliance with immigration rules has not been met. Oh I agree. But some say there is the underlying authority to sign off the non-compliance... I say it is a bribe myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ54 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, giddyup said: I care because for the first time they have introduced reporting back after 90 days with an updated bankbook, another hoop for those complying to jump through. Whereas those who are doing it illegally are not asked to verify money in the bank, or asked to report back after 90 days with an updated bank book. Do you see the disparity and unfairness in this? Feel fortunate that you have the funds and don’t mind it sitting in a bank. Best just to clear your mind of it and do something enjoyable... You’ve got all your ducks in a row. Don’t let the thought of what others do ruin your day. Whatever people are using Don’t worry about it..... if there is a problem its their problem.... Some use agents for convenience..... Some use them because they’ve not got the funds.....and yes it would be illegal if the hammer ever came down. i used an agent (company) when I needed to renew China Visa for convenience. Everything above board as far as I know. They do the leg work going to consulate etc. From thier website .... is a professional passport and visa service company authorized by the U.S. Department of State and Chinese Consulate. Never the less let it be the other guys worry... Edited July 25, 2019 by DJ54 Add 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post xylophone Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said: t also highlights to me, that there are a hell of a lot of Xpats out there who just don't have that small amount of money in savings, i.e. 800,000 baht that they can just leave in the bank. The above said, what the hell did all these Xpats do with their savings over the years worked I'm not agreeing with the fact that there appears to be "illegal" ways around the 800 K in the bank, and whomsoever wants to use it can do in my opinion. However I do have something to offer with regard to the sentence about "what the hell did all these expats do with their savings over the years worked" because for many folk back home, saving was just not an option as there was nothing to save, and all of their meagre earnings were used up just living and being able to put food on the table and clothe their kids. My poor dad worked on the railways and later aspired to the lofty heights of a refuse collector before he retired without a penny to his name as there was nothing spare left to save. That was also the case for many other families in the area in which I was bought up and I guess it would be nationwide as well. That never really hit me until decades later in life when I was running an investment seminar for the Royal Navy in New Zealand and the object of the exercise was to help them to plan for their future after they left the Navy, and in this particular batch there had to be 60 or more who were coming up for the end of their tenure. Imagine my surprise when trying to help/prepare quite a few of the families to adjust to civilian life and we were discussing retirement and what they would need when they retired completely, and there was not one family who had any savings, other than a paltry amount, that they could build upon as a basis for their retirement funds. In fact any of them who had a meagre amount of savings had it earmarked for a job in civvy street, and these jobs were never going to make them a lot of money as they were looking at things like having "a bread round" or a "milk round" etc. In summary, it is quite possible that the expats of whom you speak, never had savings of any description, and were relying on their pension with perhaps just a little stashed away and moving here many years ago seemed to be the answer to be able to live in a type of "paradise" where living expenses were extremely cheap. Whereas now with all things conspiring against expats living here (poor exchange rates, non-index linked pensions, new immigration rules, increasing health costs, dual pricing, corruption, just to mention a few) the dream of an easy life with the minimum amount of savings is fast disappearing, and not at all what they expected and I for one feel very sorry for them. It's no use chastising all those poor buggers who worked hard all of their lives for a pittance because they didn't manage to save anything, because there was nothing to save, and all they wanted was a better life, and sure some could argue that they should have planned ahead, but then again how many people do, and even if they did who could have foreseen the circumstances which now prevail making life very difficult for them, more so if they have a family here. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Your question & answer is simple an agent overcomes this requirement because the piper has been paid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 4MyEgo Posted July 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, xylophone said: In summary, it is quite possible that the expats of whom you speak, never had savings of any description, and were relying on their pension with perhaps just a little stashed away and moving here many years ago seemed to be the answer to be able to live in a type of "paradise" where living expenses were extremely cheap. Whereas now with all things conspiring against expats living here (poor exchange rates, non-index linked pensions, new immigration rules, increasing health costs, dual pricing, corruption, just to mention a few) the dream of an easy life with the minimum amount of savings is fast disappearing, and not at all what they expected and I for one feel very sorry for them. It's no use chastising all those poor buggers who worked hard all of their lives for a pittance because they didn't manage to save anything, because there was nothing to save, and all they wanted was a better life, and sure some could argue that they should have planned ahead, but then again how many people do, and even if they did who could have foreseen the circumstances which now prevail making life very difficult for them, more so if they have a family here. Nicely put, I would be glad to excuse the likes of the above if that is the case as I cannot know everyone's circumstances, generally speaking. I came from a poor background and I made sure I would work my ringer off everywhere possible, and had to study later in life, i.e. 3 nights per week after work x 6 years to get those two pieces of paper to earn more and set myself up later in life like now here in Thailand, because back home it just wouldn't be possible unless I was prepared to work until 67, the option to self retire at 55 here far outweighed the option of losing 12 years of my life enjoying things and having a sheeet load less stress. My post was literally firing at those who didn't want to work, drink heavily and the rest, now having to suffer at the whims of agents/immigration officers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilltom Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 7/24/2019 at 1:29 PM, joealx said: The agent will take care of the 800000 and the 90 day reporting. You won't have to go to immigration to prove anything. You may have to go there for a photo, but that will be ordered by the agent. So does the agent leave the money in the bank each year fir everyone.if not treading a fine line .is this not illegal if u don.t have the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilltom Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, natway09 said: Your question & answer is simple an agent overcomes this requirement because the piper has been paid ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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