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Not exonerated... a non event, a non entity, in the world of law in the USA. It's simply the rhetoric of a desperate group of people attacking a man who lawfully won an election. They simply refuse to accept the fact Ms. Clinton played under the same rules as Mr. Trump, and was bested. Hanging on to this imaginary, unfair result will fail them in 15 months time; they better find something based in reality to challenge the incumbent.


What’s really telling is that we’re already hearing how Trump is again conspiring with the Russians to secure the next election, so on the event he wins, it will be because he cheated again.

So why if Trump is guilty, why are none of our fearless leaders holding Mueller up as an incompetent? Assuming he can neither convict nor exonerate Trump, what was he doing?

I guess one could argue Mueller could not convict because of Trump’s obstruction, but (according to the report) none of Trump’s attempts to obstruct were successful.

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33 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 


What’s really telling is that we’re already hearing how Trump is again conspiring with the Russians to secure the next election, so on the event he wins, it will be because he cheated again.

So why if Trump is guilty, why are none of our fearless leaders holding Mueller up as an incompetent? Assuming he can neither convict nor exonerate Trump, what was he doing?

I guess one could argue Mueller could not convict because of Trump’s obstruction, but (according to the report) none of Trump’s attempts to obstruct were successful.
 

 

Hey you forgot his side kick Moscow Mitch lol and I know you believe Donald the show man over all the intelligence agency’s in the USA cause Donald knows better lol you also forgot they can’t indite a sitting potus and btw muller doesent convict congress does in an impeachment 

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42 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 


All the intelligence agencies were wrong about Iraq having WMDs, yes?

In any event, I didn’t forget about the left demonizing Mitch, I just thought this thread was about Trump and Mueller, not about Mitch and the press.

Notice how convenient the timing for the Mitch attacks were? As soon as the Mueller debacle was over it was: Hey, nothing to see here, look over there!

 

You are a funney guy lol we all see what he does try watching something other than trump tv lol common 2020!!!

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1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 


What’s really telling is that we’re already hearing how Trump is again conspiring with the Russians to secure the next election, so on the event he wins, it will be because he cheated again.

So why if Trump is guilty, why are none of our fearless leaders holding Mueller up as an incompetent? Assuming he can neither convict nor exonerate Trump, what was he doing?

I guess one could argue Mueller could not convict because of Trump’s obstruction, but (according to the report) none of Trump’s attempts to obstruct were successful.
 

 

I'd be interested in knowing where you heard that Trump is conspiring with the Russians.   All I've red is about Russian interference in the elections, nothing about Trump trying to conspire with the Russians.  

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52 minutes ago, Tug said:

Hey you forgot his side kick Moscow Mitch lol and I know you believe Donald the show man over all the intelligence agency’s in the USA cause Donald knows better lol you also forgot they can’t indite a sitting potus and btw muller doesent convict congress does in an impeachment 

Russia, Russia, Russia.

 

Russia has interfered in US elections for a long time1, even Reagan's. When Obama's ratings were so low that he could loose the 2012 election2 he was caught open mike and video3 telling Medvedev he would be more flexible (on missile defence) after his election. Medvedev says "I'll convey this to Vladimir" and they pat each other and try to look innocent. Watch the body language. Preserving the missile treaty was dear to Putin.

 

(back to Trump)


1. https://www.csis.org/analysis/russian-meddling-united-states-historical-context-mueller-report
2. https://s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/qz-production-atlas-assets/charts/atlas_r1w3hhRUe.png
3.

 

 

 

 

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I'd be interested in knowing where you heard that Trump is conspiring with the Russians.   All I've red is about Russian interference in the elections, nothing about Trump trying to conspire with the Russians.  


Really? As I understand it, the Mueller report proved that but for Trump obstruction he would have been convicted of treason.
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You are a funney guy lol we all see what he does try watching something other than trump tv lol common 2020!!!


By “we all” I assume you mean leftists, yes? lol

I don’t watch tv lol

common 2020!!! lol

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12 hours ago, mogandave said:

 


What’s really telling is that we’re already hearing how Trump is again conspiring with the Russians to secure the next election, so on the event he wins, it will be because he cheated again.

So why if Trump is guilty, why are none of our fearless leaders holding Mueller up as an incompetent? Assuming he can neither convict nor exonerate Trump, what was he doing?

I guess one could argue Mueller could not convict because of Trump’s obstruction, but (according to the report) none of Trump’s attempts to obstruct were successful.
 

 

you could argue that, but you would never win such an argument... and so it goes... two years and not any evidence worthy to indicate a crime? that's a tough row to hoe in light of the paltry returns invested in the inquiry

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Not but but but. Just showing your argument was not valid. The U.S. intelligence service found no proof of WMD before the war, the French intelligence service knew there was none, the Israeli too, and the UK intelligence service probably also knew. 
So they are not as unreliable as you claim.


Yes we know, “Bush lied people died”

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12 hours ago, mogandave said:

 


Really? As I understand it, the Mueller report proved that but for Trump obstruction he would have been convicted of treason.

 

Really, two separate issues.   The investigation was about past activity.   There is nothing that would point to 'is conspiring' in the present tense.   

 

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On 8/4/2019 at 12:45 AM, Ramen087 said:

Not exonerated... a non event, a non entity, in the world of law in the USA. It's simply the rhetoric of a desperate group of people attacking a man who lawfully won an election. They simply refuse to accept the fact Ms. Clinton played under the same rules as Mr. Trump, and was bested. Hanging on to this imaginary, unfair result will fail them in 15 months time; they better find something based in reality to challenge the incumbent.

 

Conveniently skipping the part where Trump made a big deal (if a false one) about being "exonerated". Same goes for Trump supporters on this forum. Apparently when it serves whatever current nonsense narrative is pushed, this too can be minimized.

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On 8/4/2019 at 7:58 PM, Ramen087 said:

you could argue that, but you would never win such an argument... and so it goes... two years and not any evidence worthy to indicate a crime? that's a tough row to hoe in light of the paltry returns invested in the inquiry

 

Don't recall you having any similar issues with longer investigations involving Democrat politicians - and that came to naught. Other than in your narrative, the investigation wasn't actually about Trump committing a crime or not. As for "paltry returns" - the investigation saw quite a few people face charges, some ended in prison, and a whole lot of money fined.

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On 8/4/2019 at 11:00 PM, mogandave said:

The investigation was about Trump colluding with Russia to undermine the democratic election process. Again, as Mueller pointed out, Trump obstructed the investigation. The only reason Trump was not indicted was because he interfered with the investigation, and Mueller couldn't do anything about it. Because a sitting President can not be indicted, Mueller's hands were tied and Trump go away with it.

 

The investigation wasn't about Trump colluding with Russia to undermine the democratic elections process. That's a false narrative, and considering the amount of posts you make on related topics, it's impossible you're not aware of this. So just the usual misleading bit, with trolling on the side.

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