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TM 30 Confusion and Paranoia -- Specific Advice Sought

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OK, here is my situation.

Condo owner.

Jomtien office. 

I have never filed a TM30.

Also it has never been asked for.

I have always included my phone bill showing address with my annual retirement extensions. 

Of course I do the 90 day address reports.

 

I am concerned about changes in enforcement for my next extension regarding the TM30.

 

At Jomtien, should I take any action proactively well before the extension?

 

Is this likely to cause a problem at extension time if I don't?

 

If there is a problem at extension time, is that fixable?

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Probably best to get a TM.30 filed before you apply for your next extension. If you wait until extension day they might fine you.

 

As long as it’s done before or when you apply for the extension they will issue the extension.

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35 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I have seen no reports for Jomtien that indicates that Jomtien has changed their policy for when TM30 reports.

Thanks but in the context of my request, if I have NEVER filed a TM30 in over ten years, have NEVER been asked for one, always had a phone bill accepted at extensions, and as you say NOTHING CHANGED, then what I conclude from what you're telling me is that I should take NO action at all. 

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39 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Probably best to get a TM.30 filed before you apply for your next extension. If you wait until extension day they might fine you.

 

As long as it’s done before or when you apply for the extension they will issue the extension.

I think you're not getting the SPECIFICITY of my situation. It's specifically about people that OWN their own condos reporting at Jomtien.  Never required before.

 

It seems to me given the history it might be asked for trouble to start filing a TM30 now.

 

Of course I don't know. 

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Just now, Slip said:

Go on a little trip somewhere nice, then file a TM30 when you return?

I thought of that but not planning on such a trip.

But even if I did that as I have never filed a TM30 before, why would I even want to start with that at all if it is not required given my specific situation (Jomtien, condo owner)?

As far as there being a problem at extension time, I can risk a fine but my concern is if the problem would be bigger than a fine, even ruining the extension. 

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2 minutes ago, moe666 said:

You are not going to get the answer to your question here because no one knows. Just fill out the paper work get all the files together and go to immigration and do the tm30. 

I don't agree with you that no one knows but I might not get the answer here. Jomtien is a very high volume office and it's been no secret that CONDO OWNERS at Jomtien haven't needed to file TM30s. So there are many people in the exact same situation. 

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Is it not the responsibility of the Condo Manager to file the TM 30?


 

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Officially and practically, the responsibility to report the stay of a foreigner rests with the host: the landlord of a property, the hotel or the service apartment. Untimely reporting of a foreigner can be penalized with THB 1,600 per person (normally the penalty does not exceed that amount , even if your landlord reports months too late).

 

However, if you are the guest or tenant, you can’t ignore TM30 either: many foreigners report that they need it when going to the Immigration office for a service, such as the 90-day reporting and sometimes even for visa extentions. It still depends on the officer in charge that you're facing, but at such moment that you may find out that your landlord did not report your stay and you will have to explain where you stayed all that time. There is also a risk that you as a tenant (or guest) may be fined instead of the landlord.
In some cases, Immigration enforces strictly and demands the return slip of the TM.30 form, in other cases they allow foreigners just to tell them their address and when it's in the system it's okay.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Is it not the responsibility of the Condo Manager to file the TM 30?


 

 

No.

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1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

No.

Okay try this.

 

 

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What to do when you discover you haven't been reported

Officially, you need to be reported for where you stay. But even the Immigration officers take a practical stance at the new rules.

So, a PRACTICAL APPROACH you could take as a foreigner (at your own risk) is to not bother about it too much if you know you don't have to go to Immigration during your stay in Thailand, and to only get more serious if you know you do.

If you already know you have to go to Immigration at some point, for example for your 90-day reporting, and you haven't been reported within 24 hours from the moment that you checked in at your accomodation address, then some foreigner just report from that moment stating that they stayed in hotels before which didn't report them. This has worked for some foreigners, because Immigration won't bother to call those hotels to tell them they didn't do their job.

 

 

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