amykat Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I hear you but I won't be changing to marriage. That's interesting though because I might be changing to Elite in which case I would probably follow the advice of filing one after a trip. Wait ...what?? Sorry but why would you give away 500k forever when you can just put 800k in the bank that you keep? In five years you will be stuck again. To save 300k that you don’t have available?? I can’t see a reason for doing this, unless you have no money other than 500k total savings, it didn’t seem you were in this position from past postings. I think you have to find another way. Borrow the missing $9-10K and pay interest on it if you have to and put it in the bank, then you will have it forever, sell something, do both??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Jingthing said: I think you're not getting the SPECIFICITY of my situation. It's specifically about people that OWN their own condos reporting at Jomtien. Never required before. It seems to me given the history it might be asked for trouble to start filing a TM30 now. Of course I don't know. You are a foreigner in Thailand and have to submit a TM30. It doesn't have to be submitted by you. Why should a condo owner in Jomtien, Chonburi,who is not Thai, not submit a TM30? You are the possessor of the condo,as they call it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Again, I do 90 day reports in person regularly and NEVER even word one about the need for a TM30, which again, I have never done even once. This is really about a specific class of people. Jomtien office. Condo owners. General info is not relevant. "This is really about a specific class of people"?? What are you talking about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanGuy Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Max69xl said: You are a foreigner in Thailand and have to submit a TM30. It doesn't have to be submitted by you. Why should a condo owner in Jomtien, Chonburi,who is not Thai, not submit a TM30? You are the possessor of the condo,as they call it. Because that is what Jomtien immigration says (if on "retirement visa"). (Compare to the fee for a residence certificate. According to law there is no fee, but Jomtien immigration charges 300 thb. You basically do what they say ... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, amykat said: Wait ...what?? Sorry but why would you give away 500k forever when you can just put 800k in the bank that you keep? In five years you will be stuck again. To save 300k that you don’t have available?? I can’t see a reason for doing this, unless you have no money other than 500k total savings, it didn’t seem you were in this position from past postings. I think you have to find another way. Borrow the missing $9-10K and pay interest on it if you have to and put it in the bank, then you will have it forever, sell something, do both??? You are absolutely correct. Waisting money on an Elite visa is not very smart. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, GermanGuy said: Because that is what Jomtien immigration says (if on "retirement visa"). (Compare to the fee for a residence certificate. According to law there is no fee, but Jomtien immigration charges 300 thb. You basically do what they say ... ) What are you talking about? The Certificate of Residence is not same as a TM30. The TM30 is free. The Certificate of Residence you need for a driver's license and when you buy a car or a motorbike. I live in Jomtien, understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, balo said: I only rent, but I am in the same situation , never filled out a TM30 in my life. I have been asked about my address when I visited immigration 6 months ago and they just checked on their computer screen that I had the same address for many years. At the same time I had been travelling both inside and outside of Thailand , and never been asked for TM30 . So I have decided to just take my chances and if asked to pay a fine I am ready to pay 2000 baht or whatever it is. Then someone else submitted the TM30 for you, otherwise she wouldn't have your address in the computer. Then they would have fined you 1600 Baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanGuy Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Max69xl said: What are you talking about? The Certificate of Residence is not same as a TM30. The TM30 is free. The Certificate of Residence you need for a driver's license and when you buy a car or a motorbike. I live in Jomtien, understand? Please read also my tm30 report (post #19). I just used the well-known fee for residence certificates as an example to illustrate, that different immigration offices have different rules/interpretations even though the law is supposed to be the same (to answer your "Why"). Edited July 28, 2019 by GermanGuy typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonseeker Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Most friends who had no TM30 in passport the day of extension, were sent to office or counter 10? to file address first. Some were fined, some not. Last 6 months... Really no issue to discuss over and over for 2 years. Easy enough to comply with rules here. Try a few other countries.... And Jomtien is and has been good for years. MS> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, moonseeker said: Most friends who had no TM30 in passport the day of extension, were sent to office or counter 10? to file address first. Some were fined, some not. Last 6 months... Really no issue to discuss over and over for 2 years. Easy enough to comply with rules here. Try a few other countries.... And Jomtien is and has been good for years. MS> Which imm office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, amykat said: Wait ...what?? Sorry but why would you give away 500k forever when you can just put 800k in the bank that you keep? In five years you will be stuck again. To save 300k that you don’t have available?? I can’t see a reason for doing this, unless you have no money other than 500k total savings, it didn’t seem you were in this position from past postings. I think you have to find another way. Borrow the missing $9-10K and pay interest on it if you have to and put it in the bank, then you will have it forever, sell something, do both??? The pros and cons of the Elite card is a separate issue. It's been discussed extensively elsewhere. I didn't say I would be doing it but it's an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 52 minutes ago, Max69xl said: "This is really about a specific class of people"?? What are you talking about? I already said and another member added to that. The class of people that -- Use Jomtien office Own their own condo and live in it Are on retirement extensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Max69xl said: You are a foreigner in Thailand and have to submit a TM30. It doesn't have to be submitted by you. Why should a condo owner in Jomtien, Chonburi,who is not Thai, not submit a TM30? You are the possessor of the condo,as they call it. I already explained this. Jomtien office has NOT been requiring this for people in the situation that I am in, and there are a LOT of us -- Use Jomtien office Own their own condo and live in it Are on retirement extensions This topic is meant to ask if that long standing policy has changed. Cheers. Edited July 28, 2019 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amykat Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: The pros and cons of the Elite card is a separate issue. It's been discussed extensively elsewhere. I didn't say I would be doing it but it's an option. Yes well I won’t harass you too much, but the pros and cons whatever they are ...are usually exclusive to the under 50 crowd, and your post might pass by others who don’t know you ....but I worry about you when you say things like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, amykat said: Yes well I won’t harass you too much, but the pros and cons whatever they are ...are usually exclusive to the under 50 crowd, and your post might pass by others who don’t know you ....but I worry about you when you say things like that. Thanks for your concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I already explained this. Jomtien office has NOT been requiring this for people in the situation that I am in, and there are a LOT of us -- Use Jomtien office Own their own condo and live in it Are on retirement extensions This topic is meant to ask if that long standing policy has changed. Cheers. And you have been told there has been not ONE report of that. Hopefully someone that reports to jomtien will be along soon to confirm your paranoia to enable you to file tm30. Very easy at your imm office. Not easy trip to CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, moonseeker said: Most friends who had no TM30 in passport the day of extension, were sent to office or counter 10? to file address first. Some were fined, some not. Last 6 months... Really no issue to discuss over and over for 2 years. Easy enough to comply with rules here. Try a few other countries.... And Jomtien is and has been good for years. MS> Do you know any people that were required to deal with a TM30 at extension time that meet the class of people I'm talking about here? Use Jomtien office Own their own condo and live in it Are on retirement extensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, DrJack54 said: And you have been told there has been not ONE report of that. Hopefully someone that reports to jomtien will be along soon to confirm your paranoia to enable you to file tm30. Very easy at your imm office. Not easy trip to CW We had a recent report here confirming the lack of need for a TM30 for the specified class of people. Yes of course open to hearing contrary reports but only meeting that criteria. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya46 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Why are some members replying to this topic when they clearly have no idea how it works in Jomtien ? Jomtien Immigration has a policy to NOT require TM30 for people who already get a Retirement Extension at their office. To the OP: I am in the same case. I live in my condo and have never ever made a TM30 report. I have never been asked for one either (and my last extension was in June). And BTW, I tried twice - with 1 year delay between - to made this TM30 report and they just refused me, insisting they didn't need it for retirees already in their system, as long as they don't change address. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said: Why are some members replying to this topic when they clearly have no idea how it works in Jomtien ? Jomtien Immigration has a policy to NOT require TM30 for people who already get a Retirement Extension at their office. To the OP: I am in the same case. I live in my condo and have never ever made a TM30 report. I have never been asked for one either (and my last extension was in June). And BTW, I tried twice - with 1 year delay between - to made this TM30 report and they just refused me, insisting they didn't need it for retirees already in their system, as long as they don't change address. Yes. Exactly. Super Bingo. But given it's been in the news that the national immigration heavies are getting hard core with the TM30's it seemed reasonable to me to ask if there may have been a change related to that for this class of people that have not been required in the past. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya46 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: // it seemed reasonable to me to ask if there may have been a change related to that for this class of people that have not been required in the past. I would say the same thing that UbonJoe in post #4 : 6 hours ago, ubonjoe said: I have seen no reports for Jomtien that indicates that Jomtien has changed their policy for when TM30 reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: Yes. Exactly. Super Bingo. But given it's been in the news that the national immigration heavies are getting hard core with the TM30's it seemed reasonable to me to ask if there may have been a change related to that for this class of people that have not been required in the past. No its not. Read post from pattaya46. Geezuz...no wonder you have 52k posts. Chill pill in order BTW the fine in CW is 800baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, GermanGuy said: Because that is what Jomtien immigration says (if on "retirement visa"). (Compare to the fee for a residence certificate. According to law there is no fee, but Jomtien immigration charges 300 thb. You basically do what they say ... ) https://www.thethailandlife.com/tm30-guide Read this and weep. It explains everything about the TM30,and who needs to submit it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: No its not. Read post from pattaya46. Geezuz...no wonder you have 52k posts. Chill pill in order BTW the fine in CW is 800baht. Sorry. I don't agree. I think it was worth asking. If you don't like what you're reading here, nobody is forcing you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Max69xl said: https://www.thethailandlife.com/tm30-guide Read this and weep. It explains everything about the TM30,and who needs to submit it. I won't even click it as I assume it doesn't cover different policies in different offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: No its not. Read post from pattaya46. Geezuz...no wonder you have 52k posts. Chill pill in order BTW the fine in CW is 800baht. https://www.thethailandlife.com/tm30-guide Read this article about the TM30. Even a condo owner with long stay visa needs to submit a TM30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: I won't even click it as I assume it doesn't cover different policies in different offices. If you can read then you must have noticed that Immigration all over Thailand are getting tougher concerning the TM30. There are no special class,you are just ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya46 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Max69xl said: // Read this article about the TM30. Even a condo owner with long stay visa needs to submit a TM30. No ! Not in Jomtien for retirees ! 1 hour ago, Max69xl said: You are a foreigner in Thailand and have to submit a TM30. It doesn't have to be submitted by you. Why should a condo owner in Jomtien, Chonburi,who is not Thai, not submit a TM30? You are the possessor of the condo,as they call it. Because it's the rule that Jomtien Immigration decided to apply ! Edited July 28, 2019 by Pattaya46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69xl Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: No its not. Read post from pattaya46. Geezuz...no wonder you have 52k posts. Chill pill in order BTW the fine in CW is 800baht. The official fine for not submitting the TM30 is 1600 Baht in Jomtien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Max69xl said: You must for some reason have fallen between the cracks. Everybody needs the Notification of Stay,someone has to fill in the TM30. ..... The last 2 years Immigration in Jomtien has been very clear about the importance of the TM30. More of a chasm than a crack, and there must be hundreds if not thousands of retirees in Jomtien who have fallen into it, including me. I have been told several times by Immigration at Jomtien that as a retiree and a condo owner I do NOT have to file a TM30 after any trip away from my condo, as long as I am returning to my condo. That includes trips inside and outside Thailand. I always do my 90-day reporting in person and on time, and I have never been asked for a TM30 when doing it, or when getting things like residence certificates or re-entry permits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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