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1 minute ago, amexpat said:

Types on income exempt from PIT Personal Income Tax in Vietnam:

 

Interest earned on deposit from the bank or from life insurance contracts;

Overseas remittance, retirement pension, scholarship;

Income from compensation for insurance contracts or from charity funds;

Yeah thats like nothing? 

Doesn't include stocks, dividens, salary, rental income etc

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37 minutes ago, singking said:

It is these individuals who ruin it for everyone else irrespective of which country.

Rednecks/bogans are not the problem. The government is targeting expats and long-term stayers, who for the most part are law-abiding civilized people with money.

 

22 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Thailand is prolly one of the least xenophobic country in Asia - did you ever spend time in Korea or Japan? I am not saying it's not xenophobic here but the rest is worse.

True. Having lived in Japan, Thais are refreshingly far more open-minded. In Japan 90% of landlords will not rent to a foreigner. There are establishments you cannot enter as a foreigner. The sex trade is pretty much reserved for Japanese men only, with few exceptions. The grand majority of Japanese women would not even consider marrying a foreigner. Korea is even worse and even taxi drivers might refuse to take a foreigner - happened to me a few times.

 

I'm not sure how Vietnamese view foreigners, but at least in my experience the places I felt most welcome by the local people (not the government) in Asia are Thailand and Philippines, and maybe Cambodia. Japan/Korea/Taiwan/etc the locals range from xenophobic to actively racist. Ohh, when I say locals I mean normal people in Bangkok - not that Isaan girl you picked up at a bar, lol.

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1 hour ago, Beggar said:

What also worries my is the Agent Orange that the US used there during the war. A lot of food might be/is not very healthy because of this. 

Do you prefer the banned pesticides that are definitely used here. 

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Depends who will be the Leader of Thailand, at this time of the year, it looks like Vietnam is on top.

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1 hour ago, thecyclist said:

Actually, it is most Thais :Arguably one of the most xenophobic countries in the world. I would say they don't even consider us farangs fully human (absolutely nothing to do with age, as a previous poster suggested:it's a racial thing). And it's not from the top down, it permeates the whole of Thai society. A 3-year old has learned it already, when they point you out to their parents and say 5555 a farang. 

It's an Asian thing, not a Thai thing.

 

If anything, pointing out "hahaha farang" is becoming a lot rarer than in the past, at least in Thailand. Yet it's still quite common in Vietnam and China. No idea why the Chinese influenced countries have such a high rate of xenophobia, even in relatively touristy Vietnam step away from the tourist areas and go somewhere 20-30km away and you suddenly receive weird stares and hellos from the children. Many foreigners like receiving "hellos" but to me it becomes old after a while and rather than being friendly, it signals you are an outsider and can never be considered the same as them. So I view it more as a sign of poor education and mild xenophobia, even if it seems nice. I mean, a smile would be enough but no need to be reminded you are a foreigner every 2 seconds.

 

I can't remember the last time a Thai kid hellod me and I'm pretty familiar with Thailand, I go to all the most rural areas quite regularly. 15-20 years ago it was different - but these days no one really notices you anymore.

 

In Vietnam, China and other countries they still do. In Myanmar, staring is also less common despite there being far fewer foreigners in that country, but could be because Myanmar is more multicultural. They have a lot of Indian people and there are also Anglo-Burmese and Anglo-Indians. If you see people of different ethnic groups everyday then a westerner is suddenly not all that interesting. Whereas in Vietnam and China there is very little ethnic diversity. Ditto for Korea and Japan.

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9 minutes ago, ThePioneer said:

Yes sure, people who don't have a motor vehicle usually don't die in traffic accidents.

 

Thailand 60 deaths per 100.000 motor vehicles

 

Vietnam 55 deaths per 100.000

 

Hardly a 64% difference, but if it suits your agenda, why not post some false news.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

 

And even by population 32 vs 26 is also hardly a 64% difference

 

http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.A997

 

Thailand in 2016 had 24.237 traffic deaths while Vietnam in the same year had 22.419 deaths.

 

Would love to see a source for your figures

Indeed. Vietnam is an even more dangerous place to drive than Thailand, on average. I have done it and I know what I'm talking about. Lots more motorcycles there, slower traffic speeds, but almost as many deaths. They have fewer vehicles on the road there, about 8 times fewer cars although more motorcycles.

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3 minutes ago, ThePioneer said:

Yes sure, people who don't have a motor vehicle usually don't die in traffic accidents.

 

Thailand 60 deaths per 100.000 motor vehicles

 

Vietnam 55 deaths per 100.000

 

Hardly a 64% difference, but if it suits your agenda, why not post some false news.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

 

And even by population 32 vs 24 is also hardly a 64% difference

You confine your comparison to motor vehicles only. Why don't you include motor cycles, they cause deaths also. I know it suits your agenda. 

The facts are:

For 2018 the road toll death rate per 100,000 in Thailand was 32.7. That was a long way ahead of Vietnam at 26.7.

Taken from the World Health Organisation report.

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55 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Rednecks/bogans are not the problem. The government is targeting expats and long-term stayers, who for the most part are law-abiding civilized people with money.

 

True. Having lived in Japan, Thais are refreshingly far more open-minded. In Japan 90% of landlords will not rent to a foreigner. There are establishments you cannot enter as a foreigner. The sex trade is pretty much reserved for Japanese men only, with few exceptions. The grand majority of Japanese women would not even consider marrying a foreigner. Korea is even worse and even taxi drivers might refuse to take a foreigner - happened to me a few times.

 

I'm not sure how Vietnamese view foreigners, but at least in my experience the places I felt most welcome by the local people (not the government) in Asia are Thailand and Philippines, and maybe Cambodia. Japan/Korea/Taiwan/etc the locals range from xenophobic to actively racist. Ohh, when I say locals I mean normal people in Bangkok - not that Isaan girl you picked up at a bar, lol.

I agree with your first paragraph in general, although I disagree with the conspiracy theory floating around in expat circles that the government here is trying to get rid of all foreigners, especially westerners. They are instead trying to get rid of what the British call "riff-raff" by removing long-staying foreigners on the wrong visas (such as tourist visas) and upping the anti for retirement visas to ensure only relatively high-net worth individuals can remain. So they are "cleaning up" the country not to get rid of foreigners per se, but less desirable foreigners. There's a difference. They may not be going about it in the right way, but in their mind they think they are doing the right thing though I doubt it's based on xenophobia as such, otherwise I would have felt it by now, but I don't.

In all my dealings with Thai immigration it has actually been relatively pleasant for the most part. Exceptions always exist but on average, Thai immigration is far more pleasant than Cambodian immigration and don't get me started on Vietnamese customs officials. Horrible, aggressive and completely uncompromising people. Throwing passports back at tourists, including first time visitors is a common occurrence, especially at land borders. Forget about bringing in a car for tourism purposes. They hate that.

 

The people in all three countries are pretty friendly towards foreigners on the whole, though the Vietnamese have this weird habit of staring at foreigners as soon as you get outside of the tourist/expat areas. It's bizarre...I mean, haven't these people ever seen even any foreigners, who are often located just a short distance away? I once went to a rural area just outside of Nha Trang and was completely surprised by the weird response I received. Smiles and hellos from the kids, everyone crowding around to touch my hair and uncomfortable stares from the older generation. Yet just 30km away, thousands of foreigners, including Russians, Chinese and westerners from other countries were all over the place. It's like these rural folk came from the back of the moon, completely bizarre.

 

Yet when I travel to some isolated place or one which doesn't see many westerners anywhere in Thailand, nobody stares or acts weird. Even the kids rarely say hello and definitely no crowds form.

 

I think it's the mentality. Thais are often on the receiving end of criticism by jaded expats and foreigners, especially on this forum, but as you have correctly pointed out, there is a reason why Thailand hosts more westerners than any other Asian country other than Singapore. Even more than the Philippines I think, although numbers in that country may come close. It's because Thailand is, despite it's faults still far more welcoming than Japan, Korea, China and yes, ultimately, to some extent even Vietnam. Vietnam is fine if you stick to the tourist/expat areas, but it's not a very comfortable place to live if you choose to live out in the sticks. In fact, the government may not allow it and doesn't like foreigners hanging around border areas, except near official crossings.

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57 minutes ago, amexpat said:

Do you prefer the banned pesticides that are definitely used here. 

There is definitely a greater awareness of organic food in Thailand, and a lot [more] available than in Vietnam. Definitely would trust Thai produced food over Vietnamese and that's not only because of agent orange. The latter have a similar mentality to the Chinese, try to get away with whatever they can to save money or increase profits even if it could potentially mean harming somebody. Thais on the whole, don't have this kind of mentality at all.

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57 minutes ago, amexpat said:

Do you prefer the banned pesticides that are definitely used here. 

The same pesticides might be used in Vietnam too. But in addition you have the Dioxin from the Agent Orange. 

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1 hour ago, Cadbury said:

I have lived in Vietnam for 12 years and have a 5 year marriage visa exemption and have lived at the same address for the last 5 years. I have never had to pay off shore dividends earned, offshore pension or bank interest earned in Vietnam.

BTW how long have you lived in Vietnam? Or do you live in Googleland?

 

They didn't catch you tax dodging, great for you...Just because that didn't happen yet doesn't mean what you do is legal.

Why don't you point us to the law that contradicts KPMG, PWC and co and says worldwide income is tax free? Do you really want us to believe the big 4 accounting firms are all wrong??

 

What does google have to do with law in vietnam dude, seriously? Do we not accept it as i used google to find it? You have no arguments except "i got away with it".

You can get away with many things for a short duration of time, most of the time it ends badly.

 

PS: wouldn't write about this in public if i was you.

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