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Never was time Brexit could be stopped,voted for,acted on.   All that is left is for king Boris to sit in his castle,not moving an inch to Brussels,let the clock keep ticking down ,perfect.

    There would be blood on the streets of UK if  Brexit  abandoned,no  way is it being stopped,the authorities  in UK will be well aware of consequences,.... Boris does not want to lose face,nor does EU,perfect formula for hard Brexit.

    The backstop (sounds like a cork shoved up the rectum to cure leaking backside) is dead in the water,  Eire thrown under the proverbial bus and kicked back to the dark ages,just about right

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5 hours ago, MisterTee said:

French journalist Adrien Jaulmes  neatly sums up the shifts that have already happened saying that "The UK has built its power on two principles: keep the British Isles united and the European continent divided. Today it is close to succeeding in doing the opposite."

Economic disaster may or may not be around the corner, but Brexit has already produced irreversible political turmoil and disintegration which will not go away whether or not Britain is inside or outside the EU.

The economic aspect is just one side of the coin. The more important failure is the seeming inability of the Brits to govern themselves.

Welcome to the Third World.

 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

French journalists might better report the state of their own country before criticizing others.  

Since the fall of the Bastille, French journalists have been criticizing the state of their own country with alacrity.

The peevish tone of your post suggests that you may be hearing some unpleasant home truths.

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15 minutes ago, MisterTee said:

 

Since the fall of the Bastille, French journalists have been criticizing the state of their own country with alacrity.

The peevish tone of your post suggests that you may be hearing some unpleasant home truths.

I didn't spot much truth in this ridiculous article.

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The main opposition Labour Party has said it will oppose any Brexit deal brought forward by Johnson if it does not protect jobs, workers rights and the environment.
 


Protection of jobs, workers rights and the environment? Something that neither LAB nor the EU have ever managed to do before.
What sort of deal do they imagine would suddenly bring those about? No word from Jezza about how he would do that, only thinly disguised ways to Remain.
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3 minutes ago, damascase said:

Yes, of course! Had the UK representatives bothered to come up with a text, they would have written it their way too..........

Ooh. Do you really think they would have been allowed to do that? 

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4 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

wasn't the 17 million basically half of the voters? why do you say this was a minority? If given the opportunity do you think 17 million people would say they made a mistake if the 'brexit idea of democracy" did allow for people to admit it? No windup, just curious..

You really should read the post properly before commenting.

 

And yes I know many that now regret the way they voted, that probably goes both ways and there would only be one way to find out.

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7 hours ago, darksidedog said:

And so the drama continues. Whether you want in or out of Europe, you have to say the whole affair has been about as badly mismanaged as it could possibly get, and has created a level of disunity in the country that was never there before the whole mess began.

 

Indeed and all because of the deep divide among rival groups in the Tory party. 190k Tory members screwing everything for 65 million people because their completely selfish, arrogant and entitled.

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1 hour ago, zorrow424 said:

Never was time Brexit could be stopped,voted for,acted on.   All that is left is for king Boris to sit in his castle,not moving an inch to Brussels,let the clock keep ticking down ,perfect.

    There would be blood on the streets of UK if  Brexit  abandoned,no  way is it being stopped,the authorities  in UK will be well aware of consequences,.... Boris does not want to lose face,nor does EU,perfect formula for hard Brexit.

    The backstop (sounds like a cork shoved up the rectum to cure leaking backside) is dead in the water,  Eire thrown under the proverbial bus and kicked back to the dark ages,just about right

 

Nonsense and drivel.

 

Living in your own Chang induced reality maybe. 

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1 hour ago, vogie said:

You don't have to tell us this, we all know that the EU can do wonders and pass cucumbers.

Yes the brexiteers are always very quick to ridicule the regulations I wonder how many have taken the moral high ground, stuck to their principles and ignored EU Regulation 261/2004.

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2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Your Irish what do you know about a divided Britain on the EU referendum.

Division was built into the referendum result, obviously escaped your notice that Northern Ireland, Scotland and Gibraltar all voted to remain.

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10 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Division was built into the referendum result, obviously escaped your notice that Northern Ireland, Scotland and Gibraltar all voted to remain.

Division about the EU has been around since we joined in the early 1970s. The UK never really bought into the EU project, especially after it went from the ECC to its current form. If we had we would have joined the Euro but there was so much resistance, you could argue we believed in the EU, we never did.

 

Luckily the referendum was a was collective binary vote. Some boroughs in Yorkshire and Lancashire voted to remain. It doesn't mean they should stay in the EU. No, as it was a collective result, in case it escaped your notice.

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a) the curse of a two-party system: one other is ALWAYS the "mortal enemy" as takes all governmental jobs when they win, so has to be fought with on all means instead of the "most loyal opposition"... 

b) With the Brexit referendum 48,11 % voted of only one option: “Remain" as it is now. and 51,88 % voted for a kind of "Leave", but did NOT choose for whatever the consequences might be. With a value drop of the GBP from € 1,35 till now € 1,09 ( - 19,26%) , an export to the EU ( 2018) of £ 288,9 and an import from the EU of £ 353,0 Bn, this costs the UK economy £ 123,63Bn /yr. On this the drop in US$-values has to be added. Compare this with the annual contribution to the EU of around £ 8 Bn. The British will feel it in their holidays expenditures and coming Christmas costs.

Remind also, when the British were invited to join €uro, their £ was a € 1,70. Only countries like Cambodia, Zimbabwe, Venezuela and Argentine did hurt their economy more the last 4 decades.

( data from publications of the British HoC's library, of course FAKE news as Brexiteers ONLY believe their own ideas ) 

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5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Division about the EU has been around since we joined in the early 1970s. The UK never really bought into the EU project, especially after it went from the ECC to its current form. If we had we would have joined the Euro but there was so much resistance, you could argue we believed in the EU, we never did.

 

Luckily the referendum was a was collective binary vote. Some boroughs in Yorkshire and Lancashire voted to remain. It doesn't mean they should stay in the EU. No, as it was a collective result, in case it escaped your notice.

This is a first - I actually agree with what you wrote in the first paragraph.

You do spoil it then by saying it was a collective vote as the majority in Scotland would disagree, as would the majority in NI.

The most telling post in this thread is the one about the French journalist's comment that Brexit has managed to divide the UK and unite the EU.

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6 hours ago, smedly said:

Germany and France (possibly Spain and Italy) will also effectively leave the EU (because it is unsustainable without the UK) they will not file ART50 because they make the rules as they go, the EU will effectively be split either 2-25 or 4-23, the 23 will fall apart

Effectively the EU will have imploded and the 4 will attempt to protect themselves from the fallout 

"EU unsustainable without the UK" ? Give me ONE reason ! I presume, thanks to less friction, a quicker working of the EU.

Which countries want to step out of the EU ?

Just read some "brexit fake news" https://www.indy100.com/article/eu-membership-countries-vote-leave-remain-8888956

EU28, Kantar poll: European Union Membership Referendum % Remain

Ireland 91% Netherlands 91% Sweden 89% Spain 88% Germany 89% Belgium 87% Portugal 92% Greece 75% Bulgaria 83% France 74% Estonia 89% Slovakia 86% Italy 72% Hungary 81% Denmark 86% Poland 89% Romania 89%

To give you a second: the Dutch PVV, and ONLY who want a NEXIT went from 4 seats in the EU parliament to.. ZERO 

 

Not all want to commit commercial + economical suicide like the British ( or better: the English)

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6 hours ago, smedly said:

vote leave won by 1.4 million votes - no small number

48,11% voted for just ONE option: "remain", 51,88% voted for  a range of "Leave" possibilities without saying anything to which kind of "Leave". How many later felt lied to, swindled, double-crossed .. THAT's the reason why the Brexiteers under no circumstances want a referendum, which "leave" the British want. Even when they have to see a Scotland and a Northern Ireland leaving, and a BIG step back in economic prosperity of their then Single kingdom. 

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1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Ooh. Do you really think they would have been allowed to do that? 

Nonsense. They were fully entitled - and expected too - to put their own text on the table (which they never did because there was no plan). If you put yourself in a very weak position by arriving at the negotiating table without any sort of plan, don’t blame the other party for having one.

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5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The deep division is real, evident here an evident in the UK, often bitterly dividing friends and family.

 

And yet we are to believe the Government can deliver, or worse still, deliver the most extreme no-deal Brexit  on the back of a one seat majority that is itself under threat. 

 

The sensible thing to do, it put Brexit back to the people. 

British democracy: "the people are our boss", but.. we Brexiteers forbid that same people to vote which type of "Leave" they want and accept the clearly explained consequenses of that. ( they will find out at least one during their holidays now and coming Christmas) 

And the parliament.. we as government decide about which questions they are allowed to vote, and when. So.. no-confidence votes forbidden till after 31 Oct. When neseccary.. we, the Brexit government, simply send them home for a week or so.

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5 hours ago, Orac said:

Cumming is wrong or being economical with the truth. Though an election could be scheduled for after 31st Oct there is a 14 day period under the Fixed Parliament Act after a vote of no confidence where a new PM could be nominated by the existing set of MPs.  Since there is probably a majority there who who vote against no deal there is a chance a PM could be selected who could command a majority on the base of limited extension and national govt. Corbyn could not get the support for that but someone from the Tory side might with commitment for early election to get Labour onside.

Or... as we saw in last bye-election: a coalition with Lib Dem as major partner.. after a General Election. THE reason, why as well as Labour as Conservatives will do all to prevent that. Remind.. in the UK, the winner takes it all, the others nothing. With a 4 major parties in England, one needs to have just a few votes more to win the seat per barony ( constituency). And 50% + 1 seat = dictatorship, being the Government.

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4 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

That's nonsense. 

Disunity you have now before October. And there is no change after BREXIT because people in UK are simply devided in pro and con, no matter what will happen. 

Therefore only one way: let the British experience a hard Brexit, whatever the consequences.

Bye-the-way: thanks for BMW Mini and the Eur Medicine Agency already.

https://www.ft.com/content/3a35dfd6-b2cd-11e9-8cb2-799a3a8cf37b  

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3021230/no-deal-brexit-sends-japanese-firms-search-uks-exit

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/what-no-deal-brexit-what-13419829

https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/britain-brexit-european-union

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5 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

If a business partner does not want to pay his debts, then you do not do any more business with them.
That goes for the small business on the corner as well as in the big business.

'deal' that really matters a FTA. 

 

Why the EU would grand the UK a Free Trade Association, when the UK does not pay the amount they committed themselves to for the runnign 7-year budget, of which UK companies , persons, and gouvernement organisations preferenced so much, starting with salaries and pensions of British citizens working in the EU and parliament ( like Farange) 

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10 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Well but it's a shame that they are unable to see the desaster economically and politically 

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3 hours ago, damascase said:

‘.........it seems that most of it must was probably drafted on the continent and then presented to her, not for approval but for acceptance.’

Well, I’m pretty sure it was drafted on the continent, because the UK representatives arrived in Brussels completely unprepared, empty-handed and without a plan or even a clue of which direction to take. The EU, on the other hand, had used the many months between the referendum and the start of the negotiations to prepare their position, including drafting texts. Somebody has to do it! 

It looks very much like the UK has never put a comprehensive text of their own on the table........

2 1/2 years of negociations… and be sure, quite often government representatives were in Brussels to talk and find solutions.

Second: NEVER the EU received any official proposal from the UK, only… no no no no no

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There is one fact that escapes everyone - we will leave on the 31st Oct, it cannot be stopped, even if the CON government loses a NC vote all they have to do is plan an election after the 31st Oct we will have left by default and law - bye bye
 
There is no sensible reason why Brussels would blank the 5th Largest economy in the world and risk an interruption to trade especially when Italy and Spain are in recession and both Germany and France are on the brink
 
They need to hit the reset button and forget about what T May did these last 2 years - it is gone - bin it and sort this out
 
They don't want the UK to leave because they cannot compete with a free trading UK once the shackles and control from Brussels have been torn away
 
The EU is heading down the toilet and we need to get away before we are dragged down with it 
 
Here is my prediction
 
The UK will leave on the 31st Oct - we may have an extended period to sort the finer details out but we will have left.
 
If a sensible trade deal cannot be sorted in the months after we have left then - 
 
Germany and France (possibly Spain and Italy) will also effectively leave the EU (because it is unsustainable without the UK) they will not file ART50 because they make the rules as they go, the EU will effectively be split either 2-25 or 4-23, the 23 will fall apart
 
 
 
Effectively the EU will have imploded and the 4 will attempt to protect themselves from the fallout 
How can it "escape everyone"? It's exactly what the article in the OP is saying.

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