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Retirement Extension Refused, CM today.

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Retirement Extension refused at Chiang Mai

This would have been my 12th extension for retirement, previously done without problem with the Embassy letter, income method. I have always done it myself, no agent. OK, the rules have changed but my income hasn’t. I use 3 pensions, 2 are paid in monthly to Bangkok Bank, about 28 to 29 thousand. The other pension, my occupational pension is paid into my Lloyds bank UK. I use this to pay some UK commitments like alimony from my 1st marriage, so I can’t bring it all direct to Thailand.

Every month I draw by ATM on the last day of the month, when the pension is paid, 40,000 baht. This is done at Bangkok Bank, Chiang Mai and paid straight into my account with them. This then totals the 68,000 or so for my income statement. I retain the debit card slips, together with the Lloyds bank account showing it paid into Thailand.

At Immigration, I presented all this paperwork, including the Income statement from Bangkok bank. Rejected, the money has to come direct into the bank account, not via an ATM, even though it is shown beyond all doubt it is from UK and is not recycled.

Plan B, as a reserve backup, I have my emergency fund with Government Savings Bank, of 400,000 baht. I acquired the letter from them, it has been there for over a year. So, I presented this to Immigration, saying if they won’t accept the 40,000 baht monthly income, do the combination method. Complete news to me, I was told that this has been discontinued, it is 800,000 only for the bank account system.

OK, move to plan C, extension by married to a Thai. I am now in the process of constructing all the additional paperwork that is required, including going back to the Amphur where we were married, to get a ‘Tor Ror 2’ verification of marriage, something again new to me.

I post this as an advisory note to others.

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Retirement Extension refused at Chiang Mai
This would have been my 12th extension for retirement, previously done without problem with the Embassy letter, income method. I have always done it myself, no agent. OK, the rules have changed but my income hasn’t. I use 3 pensions, 2 are paid in monthly to Bangkok Bank, about 28 to 29 thousand. The other pension, my occupational pension is paid into my Lloyds bank UK. I use this to pay some UK commitments like alimony from my 1st marriage, so I can’t bring it all direct to Thailand.
Every month I draw by ATM on the last day of the month, when the pension is paid, 40,000 baht. This is done at Bangkok Bank, Chiang Mai and paid straight into my account with them. This then totals the 68,000 or so for my income statement. I retain the debit card slips, together with the Lloyds bank account showing it paid into Thailand.
At Immigration, I presented all this paperwork, including the Income statement from Bangkok bank. Rejected, the money has to come direct into the bank account, not via an ATM, even though it is shown beyond all doubt it is from UK and is not recycled.
Plan B, as a reserve backup, I have my emergency fund with Government Savings Bank, of 400,000 baht. I acquired the letter from them, it has been there for over a year. So, I presented this to Immigration, saying if they won’t accept the 40,000 baht monthly income, do the combination method. Complete news to me, I was told that this has been discontinued, it is 800,000 only for the bank account system.
OK, move to plan C, extension by married to a Thai. I am now in the process of constructing all the additional paperwork that is required, including going back to the Amphur where we were married, to get a ‘Tor Ror 2’ verification of marriage, something again new to me.
I post this as an advisory note to others.
I had a similar exasperating experience in Aranyaprathet. Could have strangled the guy! I ended up going to a service in Pattaya. Expensive but damn well worth it. Will never set foot in Aran office again. Bloody never!

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17 minutes ago, maybefitz said:

including going back to the Amphur where we were married, to get a ‘Tor Ror 2’

I do not do myself but believe have seen reports that can be downloaded by any Amphur office on request so might be worth a try if far away.

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2 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:
20 minutes ago, maybefitz said:

including going back to the Amphur where we were married, to get a ‘Tor Ror 2’

 

2 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

I do not do myself but believe have seen reports that can be downloaded by any Amphur office on request so might be worth a try if far away.

You have read correctly. Madam Moon and I were married in Bangkok 5 years ago. But we were able to get a KOR 2 from an Amphur in a small town in rural Issan.

 

It's a simple process that only took about 30 mins. (and 400 THB)

 

Good luck with the re-app @maybefitz

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25 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

You have read correctly. Madam Moon and I were married in Bangkok 5 years ago. But we were able to get a KOR 2 from an Amphur in a small town in rural Issan.

 

It's a simple process that only took about 30 mins. (and 400 THB)

 

Good luck with the re-app @maybefitz

Wow. The correct fee is 20 Baht.

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13 minutes ago, fishtank said:

Wow. The correct fee is 20 Baht.

All of them on the take, from top to bottom. It never ends! Absolutely no sense or moral scruples or any effort to do a fair days work for a fair days pay.

 

Terrible people. 😞

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1 hour ago, maybefitz said:

OK, the rules have change

 

No surprises in your report, especially in that it's coming out of CM Immigration. There have been prior posts from folks who have been denied using the combo method for retirement extensions because they could not produce an Embassy income affidavit for the income part of their "combo".

 

I believe, Immigration is still accepting "combo" retirement extension applications IF the income portion is documented by an Embassy income affidavit (which leaves out Americans, Brits, and Aussies who no longer can obtain such affidavits).

 

And, ATM slips showing foreign card/Thai bank ATM withdrawals followed by deposits into Thai bank accounts have never been accepted by Immigration anywhere here for monthly income/foreign transfer documenting purposes, AFAIK.

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52 minutes ago, Moonlover said:
1 hour ago, lopburi3 said:

I do not do myself but believe have seen reports that can be downloaded by any Amphur office on request so might be worth a try if far away.

 

26 minutes ago, fishtank said:

Wow. The correct fee is 20 Baht.

Sorry folks, I will correct myself. (I should have asked M. Moon first)

 

Yes you are right fishtank it is 20 THB. But my wife is ever a generous soul and always hands out 'a little for eat', as she calls it.

 

but it wasn't 400! So you can wind your Thai bashing hyperbole back in @thequietman 🙂

 

 

 

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46 minutes ago, fishtank said:

Wow. The correct fee is 20 Baht.

Wife needed new shoes. 

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I spoke with several expats in udon Thani who are now having the same problem, it seems they want the $800 in the bank. Not accepting the monthly income for many now. 

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1 hour ago, Moonlover said:

but it wasn't 400! So you can wind your Thai bashing hyperbole back in @thequietman 🙂

Based on your nonsense post might I suggest.

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12 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

No surprises in your report, especially in that it's coming out of CM Immigration. There have been prior posts from folks who have been denied using the combo method for retirement extensions because they could not produce an Embassy income affidavit for the income part of their "combo".

 

I believe, Immigration is still accepting "combo" retirement extension applications IF the income portion is documented by an Embassy income affidavit (which leaves out Americans, Brits, and Aussies who no longer can obtain such affidavits).

This is correct. I am a US citizen in exactly this situation. I have been using the combo method for 5 years but now my extension is being denied even though the combination of income (US Social Security) plus the untouched fixed account balance is well over 800k.

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Bad luck! I would strongly advise you use a professional agent and let them do all the magic. They know the IO staff and are friends with many of them and it's not worth the stress to save a few thousand baht.

I must say, though, that I am surprised they would ever accept the ATM 'method' and you might have been lucky. Best wishes and let us know how it goes.

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How is this news to anyone by now ?? 

 

Money must be an international deposit into a Thai bank account, 65k monthly..

 

Combo only accepted with income affidavit. 

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14 hours ago, thequietman said:

All of them on the take, from top to bottom. It never ends! Absolutely no sense or moral scruples or any effort to do a fair days work for a fair days pay.

 

Terrible people. 😞

many are simply corrupt not necessarily terrible... i have friends tried an agent for the first time this year and said it was like slicing butter with a hot knife so easy (and sleazy)

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