webfact Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 China, Pakistan slam India's move to change Kashmir's special status By Fayaz Bukhari, Devjyot Ghoshal and Asif Shahzad Members of Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) stop a man at a check point along a road during restrictions in Jammu August 6, 2019. REUTERS/Mukesh Gupta SRINAGAR, India/ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's plan to change the status ofKashmir ran into fierce opposition from China and its ally Pakistan on Tuesday as the disputed territory lay under a telecoms blackout to forestall protests for a second day. In a move to tighten its grip on Jammu and Kashmir, parts of which are claimed by Pakistan and China, India dropped a constitutional provision that allowed the country's only Muslim-majority state to make its own laws. The changes imposed by Modi's Hindu nationalist-led government are the most sweeping in the nearly 30 years that India has been battling a revolt in Kashmir. The government also broke up the state into two federally administered territories. China said it opposed India's decision to revoke Kashmir's special status and that New Delhi needed to be cautious on border issues. "India's action is unacceptable and would not have any legal effect," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said in a statement, drawing an immediate rebuke from Delhi that Kashmir was an internal affair. The Himalayan region is divided between India, which rules the populous Kashmir Valley and the Hindu-dominated region around Jammu city, Pakistan, which controls a wedge of territory in the west, and China, which holds a thinly populated high-altitude area in the north. China urged India to strictly abide by the agreements reached by both countries in order to avoid any actions that would further complicate boundary issues, Hua said. India and China have a longstanding dispute over the border including in Ladakh, the high altitude area. Indian foreign ministry spokesman Raveesh Kumar said splitting Jammu and Kashmir into federal territories was a domestic issue. "India does not comment on the internal affairs of other countries and similarly expects other countries to do likewise." Thousands of paramilitary troops have been deployed in Kashmir and phone and internet services have been suspended, prompting criticism the government is trying to stifle all dissent. Video images by Reuters partner ANI showed deserted streets on Tuesday in Srinagar, the main city of the region at the heart of the decades-long armed revolt which India accuses Pakistan of helping. Islamabad says it gives only moral and diplomatic support to the Kashmiri people in their struggle for self-determination. After a meeting with top commanders in the city of Rawalpindi, Pakistan's army chief expressed support for the people of Kashmir, and the prime minister said he was weighing an approach to the United Nations Security Council. "The Pakistan Army firmly stands by the Kashmiris in their just struggle to the very end," said General Qamar Javed Bajwa. "We are prepared and shall go to any extent to fulfil our obligations in this regard." The nuclear-armed neighbours have fought two of their three wars over the territory, and engaged in an aerial clash in February after a militant group based in Pakistan claimed responsibility for an attack on an Indian military convoy. "We will fight it (Modi's policy) at every forum. We're thinking how we can take it to International Court (of Justice) ... to the United Nations Security Council," Prime Minister Imran Khan told Pakistan's parliament. HINDERED DEVELOPMENT The Indian government has said Kashmir's special status hindered its development because it barred people from outside the state from buying property, investing and settling there. "We will make Jammu and Kashmir into one of our most developed states," Home Minister Amit Shah told parliament to loud cheers from supporters. Armed police on Tuesday patrolled every few hundred metres in Srinagar, where a ban on public gatherings of more than four people stayed in force. Educational institutions and most shops in residential neighbourhoods were shut. Some shopkeepers said stocks were running out after days of panic-buying. "No provisions are left in my shop, and no fresh supplies are coming," said grocery store owner Jehangir Ahmad. At a Srinagar hospital hit by the crackdown on telephone, television and internet communications, staff were working overtime, with ambulances sent to bring in doctors and nurses. "We are managing for now," said a senior official at the 500-bed Lal Ded hospital who sought anonymity as he was not authorised to speak to media. In Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistan-governed Kashmir about 45 km (28 miles) from the neighbours' contested border, protests entered a second day, with hundreds of people, including children, shouting anti-India slogans. Many Kashmiris have relatives on both sides of the border, but those on the Pakistani side say they have been unable to reach people in India for days. Tanveer-ul-Islam, who migrated to Muzaffarabad in 1990, said he had lost touch with his mother in Indian Kashmirsince Sunday. "You can't even imagine my pain," he added. "We do not know about the well-being of anyone across the divide." (Additional reporting by Meg Shen in HONG KONG, Abu Arqam Naqash in MUZAFFARABAD and Ruma Paul in DHAKA; Writing by Sanjeev Miglani and Aditya Kalra; Editing by Clarence Fernandez and Catherine Evans) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-08-07 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razek Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 49 minutes ago, webfact said: We will make Jammu and Kashmir into one of our most developed states Ha ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Well, what else would be expected from Pakistan, and it's "ally" ( ? master )? The disaster that was the solution devised by Britain for partition continues to haunt Kashmir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 10 hours ago, Razek said: Ha ha ha ha Apparently splitting it into 2 Union territories - which have less power than states in India's federal constitution. Then allow non Muslim Indians from other states to buy land and property. Few years, Muslims in a minority, eh voila! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Well, what else would be expected from Pakistan, and it's "ally" ( ? master )? The disaster that was the solution devised by Britain for partition continues to haunt Kashmir. Would you have had a better solution? As for China - Tibet and the Muslim re-education camps spring to mind. As for Pakistan - lawless backward Muslim radical country that persecutes non Muslims, women, and anyone the religious nutters finger in the most barbaric ways; but is allowed nuclear weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jany123 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 37 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: As for Pakistan - lawless backward Muslim radical country that persecutes non Muslims, women, and anyone the religious nutters finger in the most barbaric ways; but is allowed nuclear weapons. Allowed? Over simplistically, It developed its nuclear capability clandestinely off the back of US (and later other western nations) supplied nuclear power tech, equipment and training ($$$$) whilst maintaining it only wanted power production capabilities (which may have been the truth at the time) india developed the bomb and rejected Pakistan’s attempt to keep Asia nuclear free, then Bangladesh kicked Pakistan in the teeth, which resulted in an all out push for its own bomb to maintain its security, post 1970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from the home of CC Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Well, what else would be expected from Pakistan, and it's "ally" ( ? master )? The disaster that was the solution devised by Britain for partition continues to haunt Kashmir. same with the haunted Thai south.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razek Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 India thinking pakistan is week this time but they will say sorry soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 20 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Well, what else would be expected from Pakistan, and it's "ally" ( ? master )? The disaster that was the solution devised by Britain for partition continues to haunt Kashmir. How about allowing the people of Jammu and Kashmir to vote on their status. They never asked to join India, but were handed over by their ruler at the time of independence, in return for military aid after Pakistani inspired raids and rebellions in the country. Prior to that the kingdom had planned to remain neutral. Give the people there the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I am not surprised China also slams India's action - they are also in dispute over Kashmir territory (see map below) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Will the nuclear fallout be carried into Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonbridgebrit Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 So, China has decided to back and support Pakistan in this conflict. The important issue is this, who is America going to support ?? Is America going to support Pakistan or India ? And, if America supports Pakistan, then what ? Surely, India will be defeated ? How can India win, if both Washington and Beijing support Pakistan ? How about this ? Washington and Beijing unite to support Pakistan, and kill India ? The beginning of a new alliance between America and China. This is good for everybody, right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyboy2018 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 2:58 AM, Razek said: Ha ha ha ha It already is. Which is why the Indian Government want it. I was there 73/74. Outside of Morocco some of the worst people in the world I have ever met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyboy2018 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 13 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said: So, China has decided to back and support Pakistan in this conflict. The important issue is this, who is America going to support ?? Is America going to support Pakistan or India ? And, if America supports Pakistan, then what ? Surely, India will be defeated ? How can India win, if both Washington and Beijing support Pakistan ? How about this ? Washington and Beijing unite to support Pakistan, and kill India ? The beginning of a new alliance between America and China. This is good for everybody, right ? Nobody supports basket case Pakistan, a country founded, in 1947 on religious hate and Islamic fundamentalism. A truly dreadful people, primarily following a Dubanismn, an extreme Islamic sect closely influenced by salafism and the whahabis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyboy2018 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 4:02 PM, Razek said: India thinking pakistan is week this time but they will say sorry soon They are not week! They are a month! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/7/2019 at 8:07 AM, webfact said: We're thinking how we can take it to International Court (of Justice) ... to the United Nations Security Council," Think all you want but Jammu and Kashmir are part of the sovereign nation of India. The Instrument of Accession is a legal document executed by Maharaja Hari Singh, ruler of the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, on 26 October 1947. By executing this document under the provisions of the Indian Independence Act 1947, Maharaja Hari Singh agreed to accede to the Dominion of India. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Accession_(Jammu_and_Kashmir) Revoking Kashmir's special status and return to administrative territory status was within India's right. As such India's actions are none of the IC or UN business. On 8/7/2019 at 8:07 AM, webfact said: China urged India to strictly abide by the agreements reached by both countries in order to avoid any actions that would further complicate boundary issues Shall the international community "hold a candle" to China's violation of its 'One Nation Two Systems" treaties with Taiwan and Hong Kong? Shall China be excused for its refusal to recognize the International Court ruling against China's claim of all resources lying within the area of the South China Sea? Remember China's annexation of Tibet? China's foreign policies in the Asian region are hardly models for respect and guidance to other nation's internal affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 On 8/8/2019 at 12:30 AM, Baerboxer said: Would you have had a better solution? As for China - Tibet and the Muslim re-education camps spring to mind. As for Pakistan - lawless backward Muslim radical country that persecutes non Muslims, women, and anyone the religious nutters finger in the most barbaric ways; but is allowed nuclear weapons. Yes, but too long to post. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Remove China and Pakistan from the map and the trouble ends in that region !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 On 8/8/2019 at 11:50 AM, zydeco said: Will the nuclear fallout be carried into Thailand? Only if the wind is blowing east/southeastwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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