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1 minute ago, overherebc said:

Another difference between a visa and an extension of stay.

If you are considering applying for PR or whatever a multi entry O visa, ie having to leave and return every 90 days isn't accepted. It must be 3 consecutive extensions of stay

You mean I can't leave the country? Maybe I'm confused by your wording. My goal is to get a 1 year multi entry O visa, and then get my O visa extended yearly until I'm eligible to get a PR. I'm not planning on leaving the country and getting a new visa every 90 days. I live in Thailand officially and only go out of the country a few times a year.

 

Currently, I get my visa extended at the Immigration office every 90 days, unless I'm leaving the country for travel or business before the 90 days are up.

 

Thank everyone for the help and advice.

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1 minute ago, Cyclenshaven said:

I live in Thailand officially

What does that mean?

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7 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

What does that mean?

I am no longer a resident in my home country, have my Thai address registered at my countries' embassy in Thailand and have the certificate of residency from the local Thai government that I live in Thailand on my current address.

I meant I'm not a tourist visiting on a temporary address, maybe I worded it wrong by saying officially? Sorry for that, I don't know how to translate it better.

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23 minutes ago, Cyclenshaven said:

You mean I can't leave the country? Maybe I'm confused by your wording. My goal is to get a 1 year multi entry O visa, and then get my O visa extended yearly until I'm eligible to get a PR. I'm not planning on leaving the country and getting a new visa every 90 days. I live in Thailand officially and only go out of the country a few times a year.

 

Currently, I get my visa extended at the Immigration office every 90 days, unless I'm leaving the country for travel or business before the 90 days are up.

 

Thank everyone for the help and advice.

Yes you can leave and return with your extension and re-entry permit no problem.

However your one year multi entry O will not count, only the extensions of stay as they are not 'visas'.

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27 minutes ago, Cyclenshaven said:

You mean I can't leave the country? Maybe I'm confused by your wording. My goal is to get a 1 year multi entry O visa, and then get my O visa extended yearly until I'm eligible to get a PR. I'm not planning on leaving the country and getting a new visa every 90 days. I live in Thailand officially and only go out of the country a few times a year.

You do not need to get a ME O visa, in fact they way you describe it above, then you do not want a ME O visa, with a ME O visa you would HAVE to leave the country every 90 days.

Get a SE O visa and extend this based on marriage, get a ME reentry permit for those few times a year out of the country.

 

29 minutes ago, Cyclenshaven said:

Currently, I get my visa extended at the Immigration office every 90 days, unless I'm leaving the country for travel or business before the 90 days are up.

No, currently you are reporting your address every 90 days, your extension of stay will have been valid for one year.

 

Note for PR application, then the rule is 3 consecutive extensions of stay, so 3 years, plus 3 years of Thai income tax payments, from a previous post, you said you could not extend based on 40k THB per month earnings within Thailand for the O visa extension of stay based on marriage?

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7 minutes ago, Mattd said:

You do not need to get a ME O visa, in fact they way you describe it above, then you do not want a ME O visa, with a ME O visa you would HAVE to leave the country every 90 days.

Get a SE O visa and extend this based on marriage, get a ME reentry permit for those few times a year out of the country.

 

No, currently you are reporting your address every 90 days, your extension of stay will have been valid for one year.

 

Note for PR application, then the rule is 3 consecutive extensions of stay, so 3 years, plus 3 years of Thai income tax payments, from a previous post, you said you could not extend based on 40k THB per month earnings within Thailand for the O visa extension of stay based on marriage?

I believe work and tax records have to be continuous as well.

Based on, if you finish one job then officially your extension will also end, unless with help from old and new employer there is an almost seamless change from old to new job.

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4 minutes ago, Mattd said:

You do not need to get a ME O visa, in fact they way you describe it above, then you do not want a ME O visa, with a ME O visa you would HAVE to leave the country every 90 days.

Get a SE O visa and extend this based on marriage, get a ME reentry permit for those few times a year out of the country.

I don't think I fully understand, you mean I should initially get a SE O visa and get a separate ME Re-Entry permit? This way I don't have to leave the country and only report my address every 90 days? If this is easier then a ME O visa, why doesn't everyone do this?

Is there no way to have a O visa that's valid for one year that I only need to report my address every 90 days?

 

9 minutes ago, Mattd said:

No, currently you are reporting your address every 90 days, your extension of stay will have been valid for one year.

 

Note for PR application, then the rule is 3 consecutive extensions of stay, so 3 years, plus 3 years of Thai income tax payments, from a previous post, you said you could not extend based on 40k THB per month earnings within Thailand for the O visa extension of stay based on marriage?

Correct, I have a B visa that's valid for 1 year. I thought it would be the same for a 1 year O visa. 

Currently I am making about 50k THB but next year (after I get my O visa), I am looking to do something else for a while which might result in lower or no income for a certain period. 

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4 minutes ago, Cyclenshaven said:

Correct, I have a B visa that's valid for 1 year. I thought it would be the same for a 1 year O visa. 

Currently I am making about 50k THB but next year (after I get my O visa), I am looking to do something else for a while which might result in lower or no income for a certain period. 

You currently have an extension of stay that is valid for one year, it is NOT a B visa, it is an extension of stay based on work, that is extending the permission to stay of the original entry on the B visa, do not mix the two up, it is important.

If you want to change to an O visa, then you need to get a SE O visa overseas, then enter Thailand, you will get 90 days permission to stay, in the last 30 days of this permission to stay, go to an immigration office in the area you live and apply to extend your permission to stay for 12 months based on marriage, others have already explained the criteria required for this, i.e. money in the bank etc.

The PR application process and timing will be interrupted, there is nothing you can do about this, unless you continue to work as you are now and extend based on work for another two years, plus the time taken to process the PR application, which can be a long time.

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1 minute ago, Mattd said:

You currently have an extension of stay that is valid for one year, it is NOT a B visa, it is an extension of stay based on work, that is extending the permission to stay of the original entry on the B visa, do not mix the two up, it is important.

If you want to change to an O visa, then you need to get a SE O visa overseas, then enter Thailand, you will get 90 days permission to stay, in the last 30 days of this permission to stay, go to an immigration office in the area you live and apply to extend your permission to stay for 12 months based on marriage, others have already explained the criteria required for this, i.e. money in the bank etc.

The PR application process and timing will be interrupted, there is nothing you can do about this, unless you continue to work as you are now and extend based on work for another two years, plus the time taken to process the PR application, which can be a long time.

Great explanation, thank you. It's alright, too bad it will interfere with the PR timeline but there's worse things than waiting a little longer.

I'm going out of Thailand for a few weeks by the end of this year and while there I'm going to apply for the SE O visa. When back in Thailand I will do as you just said.

Thanks again Mattd and everyone else for their help and useful input

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3 hours ago, Cyclenshaven said:

I guess the process is similar to my current NON-IMM B visa, which I have to extend every year too.

If you have been renewing each year at an immigration office in Thailand then you're renewing your permission to stay, not renewing a visa.

 

As others have said, if you're here on an extension of stay, since you then no longer have a valid visa, you would need a re-entry permit to travel out of and back in Thailand.

 

Without a re-entry permit your extension would cancelled when you come back to Thailand and, if eligible, you'd only be given a 30 dat visa exempt entry.

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Just a quick add on.

First is a visa. O-A.

Second is an extension of stay.

Totally different circumstances apply to each.

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4 hours ago, overherebc said:

Just a quick add on.

First is a visa. O-A.

Second is an extension of stay.

Totally different circumstances apply to each.

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To be very honest, I never fully read the text on the stamps, I only checked the dates. Thanks for the extra info!

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9 hours ago, Cyclenshaven said:

You mean I can't leave the country? Maybe I'm confused by your wording. My goal is to get a 1 year multi entry O visa, and then get my O visa extended yearly until I'm eligible to get a PR. I'm not planning on leaving the country and getting a new visa every 90 days. I live in Thailand officially and only go out of the country a few times a year.

 

Currently, I get my visa extended at the Immigration office every 90 days, unless I'm leaving the country for travel or business before the 90 days are up.

 

Thank everyone for the help and advice.

You can make trips out of Thailand, but must have consecutive long term (one year) extensions of your permission to stay if you want to apply for PR or citizenship. Note that the extensions of stay will not help with PR unless you are working with a work permit and paying taxes.

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1 hour ago, BritTim said:

Note that the extensions of stay will not help with PR unless you are working with a work permit and paying taxes.

That is not the case for all “PR” applications.

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18 hours ago, elviajero said:

That is not the case for all “PR” applications.

True, but it's the first thing they ask for

 

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