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20 hours ago, Jane Dough said:

Whilst appreciating where these sentiments come from I have never accepted them myself. This along with other statements like "life is cheap" I have found to be untrue. Life is as valuable here as anywhere. 

 

You ask about whether concentrating on young people on motorcycles will have any effect on the carnage. Yes, I believe it will but it will depend on education ministry initiatives in schools and police enforcement. It can be done and I believe if the government finally accepts the devastating effect of all this on GDP - as they are showing signs of doing - then change may, slowly be effected over the next five/ten years. 

 

In response to your other reasoned observations I would add that I feel that the Thais are obsessed - despite some of the actions of their leaders - are obsessed with personal freedom. (Tai= free as it says on the tin!). But they take it further to mean freedom to break the law when it suits them. This makes them - to a closet anarchist like me - both lovable though a tad frustrating. As I frequently say, they can be their own worst enemy.

 

I hope you continue to enjoy the column and continue to post so eruditely on some of the issues that are raised. 

 

Rooster

Thank you for the reply. I am a closet anarchist myself, almost from birth. It has sometimes cost me but it has been worth it.

 

Yes, I respect Thai people for this attitude and noticed it from my first days here. I felt immediately comfortable with the culture. I even admit to occasionally riding my bike on the shoulder counterflow to traffic, but I have stopped because it is hypocritical and dangerous given my general stance on Thai driving habits.

 

I hope you are correct on your time estimate for inchoate change; that means I may even live to see it begin.  As @Villagefarang pointed out in a previous reply, many Thai consider their fate to be out of their hands while western thought assures us that we can achieve anything we wish for if we just try harder; both are half truths at best. Perhaps you are correct that what isn't taught at home can be taught at school if done seriously and persistently from early age.

 

I have seen personal change in my Thai GF's understanding of traffic danger and her own driving habits.  We have spoken at length about the various nightmare road scenarios and she is seeing them through my eyes now.

 

I am content to doze in the passenger seat now, when I'm not providing navigation services, when she is driving. I'm convinced that she is a better driver than I because she is inperturbable and gladly yields to those willing to risk their lives to gain a few seconds to their destinations. I may nash teeth but she simply smiles beneficently at the transgressions.

 

You have widened my thoughts a bit.

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I want to thank all who replied to and commented on my post regarding Thai attitudes toward road safety - or lack thereof.

I wrote it in all respectful seriousness and benefitted from several thoughtful replies.

 

To me this shows that TVF members and this forum can be a useful resource for all of us who ponder the mysteries of our adopted country.

 

In that vein I choose to adopt Rooster's habit of referring to Thailand as 'the Kingdom' . It empasises the common observation that we ain't in Kansas (heaven forbid) anymore.

 

I'm afraid I will never understand why they enjoy eating rotten fish however. 🤐

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1 hour ago, RocketDog said:

I agree. This is another observation

I've pondered at length and even questioned Thai friends about.

 It seems to stem from their refusal/negligence to consider the future, even the immediate future.

 

While I believe that I, and many westerners dwell too much on the future, not considering it at all clearly has a downside. The Thai "Mai kit mak" (don't think too much) can be taken too far.

 

I watched my Thai GF balance a glass jar on the edge of the kitchen counter instead of pushing it a few inches farther from the edge. I asked her to consider the consequences and simple ways to prevent them. She saw my point and admitted that she simply didn't think that way.

 

I don't believe that their brains are so different from anybody else's. Again, it is a cultural conditioning thing. So I must conclude that such things are not reversed by laws or posters or news headlines. It literally takes generations to alter.

 

I must make it clear that I am happy here, like the Thai attitude about many things, and have altered my own behavior in some cases because I believe they have a better approach to life.

 

The road carnage stands prominently above any other aspects of life here that bother me. I can 'live' with all the others, but maybe not with this issue. 😒

 

 

 

All true.

Looking at UK news, yes I know we're in Thailand, they are talking about banning the use of hands free phones in vehicles. Figures they quoted for road deaths caused by 'use of hands free phones' were in 2014, 16 yes sixteen. Last year it was 45 or 46.

Enforcement on use of 'hand-held' is strict and first offence is a 200 pound fine. A lot are caught on CCTV.

Now, if that was introduced here!!!!!!!

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5 minutes ago, overherebc said:

All true.

Looking at UK news, yes I know we're in Thailand, they are talking about banning the use of hands free phones in vehicles. Figures they quoted for road deaths caused by 'use of hands free phones' were in 2014, 16 yes sixteen. Last year it was 45 or 46.

Enforcement on use of 'hand-held' is strict and first offence is a 200 pound fine. A lot are caught on CCTV.

Now, if that was introduced here!!!!!!!

It is my personal opinion that speaking to someone on the phone while driving is a dangerous pursuit. Before I retired I traveled on a major interstate highway 80 miles each day with 70mph speed limits. I encountered drivers distracted by their phones several times a day and observed way too many consequent brushes with death.

 

Some argue that it's the same as listening to music or talking to a passenger but I strenuously disagree. When talking to a remote party a large part of our brains is engaged in visualizing missing facial expressions and body language and attempting to perceive if you are being heard and understood. These factors are absent when speaking to a passenger.

 

All of that said, I know that passing more laws is not the correct solution to everything. The average person in America breaks 15 laws every day it is said.

 

It's a  crazy world.

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2 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

It is my personal opinion that speaking to someone on the phone while driving is a dangerous pursuit. Before I retired I traveled on a major interstate highway 80 miles each day with 70mph speed limits. I encountered drivers distracted by their phones several times a day and observed way too many consequent brushes with death.

 

Some argue that it's the same as listening to music or talking to a passenger but I strenuously disagree. When talking to a remote party a large part of our brains is engaged in visualizing missing facial expressions and body language and attempting to perceive if you are being heard and understood. These factors are absent when speaking to a passenger.

 

All of that said, I know that passing more laws is not the correct solution to everything. The average person in America breaks 15 laws every day it is said.

 

It's a  crazy world.

Next holiday in UK I'm going to tell my wife she isn't allowed to talk to me while I'm driving.

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On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 10:18 PM, NightSky said:

The video you posted looks like a ferrang being attacked by a Thai guy and then jumped by another Thai guy who happened to be walking past so total cowardice and by the look it’s the Thais causing the trouble in this video. Thais are not angels either.

So what happened immediately prior to the foreigner getting sparked ?

 

 

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On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 4:39 PM, madmen said:

Sadly it's the same twenty posters driving every single thread into the ground. 

 

No Wonder balcony diving is the end result ,to many depressed men.

As a newbie what I don't understand is if the forum rule "You will not slur Thailand or Thai people" was enforced those 20 people would have to waddle off and bore some other poor unfortunates and lift the rather dubious reputation this forum has got (from a quick google search)

 

However the will does not appear to be there.

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On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 8:35 AM, rooster59 said:

It's like I'm being stalked!

The irony. An internet based commentator, complaining about moaning on the internet. But at least it's original, and occasionally humorous....

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On 8/11/2019 at 5:41 PM, Martinwatersave said:

No it’s not. Moaners will moan no matter where they are and never get up off their lazy <deleted> to try and improve anything. Lots of them are only there for the drink and the cheap sex and them have the cheek to moan about things not been as they like it .

You get allot of "moaners" working in schools too. Some are genuine I'd say while others are just chronic whiners with a touch of bs.

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"By now regular readers might think that Rooster has had a visit from the TAT this week for a bit of attitude adjustment. Not a bit of it. I'm just happy. Happy with my Thai wife. Happy with Thai men. Happy in the street. Happy at home. Happy with my kids and their school. Happy on my bike. And ecstatic with the ever improving exchange rate......"

 

Similar thoughts had indeed gone through my mind, and also the recent story about the "legalisation of medical marijuana"!

 

What kind of "Happy Pills" are you on, Rooster? Are they available from any pharmacy?

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