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The week that was in Thailand news: The moaner on the bar stool is at home on the internet!

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6 hours ago, ramr said:

 

Is anyone else here finding the irony of this too perfect? 

 

Mr. Rooster, a bit annoying to have your intentions misunderstood and be written off as "just a moaner," isn't it?  Your OP did the same disservice to some with real concerns here on TVF by caricaturing their concerns and lumping them in with the braying morons.  It was generally good, but it did overreach and go a bit "rose-tinted brigade."

 

Neither a moaner nor rose-tinted-glasses-wearer be.  richardsmith_237 had it right.

 

I sorry. Your English difficult for me. Not sure what you say.

 

but, here is the link Thaivisa “translate”. Ask your thai friend to read it.

 

It NOT say we want to throw out the farang backpacker. SURE!

Only say we want to help the new Chinese tourist also. Make it better for everyone.

 

The “throw out farang backpacker” “no more banana pancake” was only the Thaivisa team say that.

Thaivisa say thai government say that, but not true! Is lie.

Make all the farang believe that. Then anger.

 

https://mgronline.com/smes/detail/9620000074196

 

Mr Rooster, is what I say true? Or not?

Why not answer me?

Please say the truth Mr Rooster. 

 

Winnie say the truth many day ago. But you don’t change it.

Now very popular thred.

12 pages of all anti thai “idiotic” etc and anti Chinese because Thaivisa lie, not because true.

 

Winnie tell true, Thaivisa lie, or not?

why?

 

 

On 8/6/2019 at 11:22 AM,  WinnieTheKhwai said:

This is complete ThaiVisa hyperbole.  The linked article makes no mention of 'out with the backpackers'.  It merely reports on the need for Chinese language skills, as more and more independently travelling Chinese tourists visit the area. 

 

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The best place to post this excellent piece. Let the moaning commence.

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23 hours ago, Mitkof Island said:

Oh God you just unleashed all the Thai bar stool bashers. RUN!

The article is a bit too comprehensive for many of the bashers to conjure up a suitable response ( or to manage to read unaided). The rose tinted spectacles accusation will probably be their best effort. 

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1 hour ago, tabarin said:

Also in terms of being stalked, you are the one visiting certain websites, joining certain social media groups, you can opt out any second.

And the  chronic Thai bashers are free to leave Thailand if they find life here so intolerable.

 

If, as they allege , so many farang are leaving, one can only hope they find new places to bitch and moan about.

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16 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

An interesting and entertaining read... Thanks Rooster.

 

....and for what it’s worth, I too believe there are many overwhelmingly unbalanced and unwarranted Thai’s bashers on this forum. Equally so there are many overwhelmingly unbalanced ‘rose tinted’ Thai supporters who berate any criticism no matter how valid and no matter how comprehensively the same criticisms are mirrored by Thai’s in the Thai forums.

 

A healthy balance, its all about that, but its clear there are so many unhinged people around us.

 

If this forum does one thing it outlines our differences and allows us to appreciate or be made aware of the different and often radically unbalanced views of others, in some cases it simply shows us the bigotry and bias, and in other cases the outright misogyny we’d otherwise be unaware of when peddling through life with the misguided belief that most other people aren’t ‘bat-sh!t-crazy’ !!!!

 

 

 

I agree with what you say. There is much good among the whiners on the internet forums and Thaivisa is no different. I have met some great people through my involvement in the site and it would be no exaggeration to say my life has changed because of it. 

 

But it is almost like how some sane and calm people go crazy when they are put behind the wheel of a motor vehicle. The internet inspires "Keyboard Warriors" who react unwholesomely because, despite moderators and to a degree the law, there are not enough checks and balances. Nonsensical ideas and non-truths are shared as fact and the gullible start to believe them. And it is not just the gullible - as I said in my article it can be a bit like North Korean brainwashing - when you hear something enough ANYONE can start to believe it. 

 

Rooster

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14 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Message to whiners, whingers and moaners - either shut up or go away.

Including those who whinge about whingers? 

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I remember the pre Meter Taxi days. It was very hard work getting a taxi in those days, negotiating, in Thai, the price for every trip, especially when it was shift change and they didn't want to go in the direction you wanted to go. Many without air-con, ripped seats, no seat belts. But it did hone your negotiating skills. Also, tuk tuks were very cheap then and you could smoke in the back. And after a while you knew the fare from say the old Thermae to Soi 22, because that is where a lot of the girls lived and you could jump in, no negotiating and jump out anywhere along Soi 22 and give him 15 baht - no questions asked and no problem.

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I normally enjoy reading your weekly TW2, and this week was ok until your paragraphs about driving and roads.  It just read like propaganda. Felt like I was being gaslighted by an insanely biased, ultra pro-Thai propagandist.  Driving skills and the extremely poor general attitudes to driving are just as much a part of the problem as is DUI and motorcyclists not wearing crash helmets.  Lack of law enforcement IS at the heart of the problem.  Please stop abusing your position as an editor and please stop trying to deliberately gaslight your readers.  We also have extensive knowledge and experience of Thailand and Thai people.

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40 minutes ago, Jane Dough said:

By your own admission English presents difficulties for you. I'll try and help as it is Sunday and Spurs won last night so I am in a great mood. 

 

The headline was "Out with the backpackers in with the Chinese - Khao San makeover continues".

 

That does not mean that the backpackers (farang or otherwise) are being thrown out. It just means, to me at least, that they are leaving (or might be leaving) and going elsewhere like backpackers always do when there are other places to discover. They are often the discoverers. It is a fact that the Chinese especially are visiting places that were previously the domain of western tourists. Pattaya is another example. The other poster is entitled to his own interpretation of the headline (and view that it is hyperbole) but quoting them does not make it true. Khao San has been having a makeover for much of the 40 years I have known it. The article was also faithful to the Manager article in concentrating on the fact that the Thais are sensibly teaching the vendors English to help the Chinese visitors particularly in understanding about their products. It also helps the vendors in boosting their trade. Nowhere in the article does it attribute the term "banana pancake" to having been spoken by a Thai. It was not in the Manager story but the term is one used by people, albeit facetiously, to sum up backpackers who congregate in places together and never really see the true local culture. They still eat "banana pancakes" which is perhaps a dish that many people never ate in their homelands but which vendors on the hippy trail thought they wanted and could make a buck from. In the story it adds atmosphere to the translation as did the idea that vendors would be saying "Ni Hao Maa" (another thing that was not in the Manager story but reasonably inferred as something the vendors might say once they had undergone the training).

 

To my mind Yinn, you are reacting to the bias of others in comments as if it were truth. 

 

Regarding Thaivisa translations in general. They would often be terribly boring if they were just verbatim accounts from the Thai press. (Every Naew Na article, for example starts with the name of 5-10 immigration officers before it gets to the point).  Thaivisa attempts to bring them to life by focusing on what might be of more interest to the English speaker, foreign language speaker, foreign person living in Thailand or people interested about Thailand who live abroad. Sometimes they are toned down because of gruesome details in Thai press reports of road accidents and crime, western sensibilities being different. Is it really necessary to say how the severed head rolled along the road and the precise location of the brain matter on the tarmac?

 

Often the angle of a story is different because the clientele of Thaivisa is different. (Stories about Thai celebrities are very boring for most non-Thais, for example as they just don't know who they are despite translators making an effort to explain). A case in point about differing angles was last year's fuss about possibly putting tourists in prison for smoking on the beach. The Thai press - perhaps mindful that such a thing would never ever actually happen - buried the fact that this sanction was possible. Thaivisa didn't because they understood that while it was never likely, such a threat might be used to extort people caught smoking to pay larger fines. When Thaivisa reported about the possible jail terms in large headlines the Thai press....realizing they had missed a trick - started doing the same. Thus the story snowballed (got bigger). Yes, it made some Thais in authority look silly. Did they not deserve that by focusing on a relatively minor issue rather than the millions of tons of plastic waste deposited in the environment by so many in Thailand every single week?

 

Thaivisa translations are not verbatim (word for word) but package the news in a readable and enjoyable format suitable for the site. They are faithful to the original source and where additional information (or views) are added the terms "Thaivisa understands" or "Thaivisa notes" are added. 

 

No attempt is made to ridicule or mock Thailand or the Thai people as you somehow claim in another post on this thread.

 

Frankly, many senior officials in the country are more than capable of doing that on their own.

 

Rooster

 

 

Rooster, don’t get your knickers in a knot over the posts. We understand and appreciate your rant and humor. We are well informed enough to know when to unplug our computer or take a holiday. It is what it is. You can’t please everybody. If living in Thailand becomes unbearable, they can always look for options. They don’t owe thailand at all and neither does thailand. Live and let live .that is my motto. If there is too much ranting about the host country, perhaps the fault lies with the poster ?

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