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What are the best places for learning Thai language?

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3 hours ago, mania said:

Yeah as I said it is called Intensive Thai for a reason 😉

 

If your looking for a relaxed social type of school maybe the YMCA would be better

 

As for teachers....They were excellent

Spoke English perfectly & were always extremely helpful & concise

The definitely knew how to teach

 

YMCA is definitely not relaxed. A lot of material is covered in roughly one month, but the pros in YMCA is that you don't have to study written Thai in order to speak and listen.

 

IPA Phonetics is sufficient regardless of what some forummers here say that you must study written Thai in order to speak Thai well. LOL

 

By the way, read the origin of Thai writing here. The current writing script isn't actually 'Thai'.

 

http://eastasiaorigin.blogspot.com/2017/08/origin-of-thai-language.html

 

 

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3 hours ago, EricTh said:

IPA Phonetics is sufficient regardless of what some forummers here say that you must study written Thai in order to speak Thai well. LOL

Agree to disagree,,,,,But also I did not say "You Must" but I did say "it WILL help your Thai Language skills immensely. "

Simple example .........

นั่นรบกวนคุณไหม?

nân róp kuan khun mǎi?

That English transliteration is not helping yet that is how English transliterates it

Yet if you can read & sound out the Thai letters & vowels your pronunciation will be much better

 

But if it works for you then your all good 😉  Enjoy

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1 hour ago, mania said:

 

นั่นรบกวนคุณไหม?

nân róp kuan khun mǎi?

for you then your all good 😉  Enjoy

LOL.

 

I can read the phonetics 100 times faster than the Indic script. I don't have to figure the complex rules just to figure out the tones and a lot of irregular idiosyncrasies of Thai spelling just to figure out what it actually sounds like.

 

I also don't have to figure out where a word ends or starts in phonetics because it is separated by spaces.

 

Those who claims that reading in Indic script makes them pronounce better don't know what they are saying.

 

Yours is a very simple example but when you come to more complex writing that don't correspond to the sound, the phonetics advantage is much more clearer.

 

A lot of Thai sounds don't correspond to what is written. 

 

I notice a lot of farang actually pronounce wrongly if they just learned the Indic script instead of the phonetics because of this.

 

Of course, there are advantage in reading the Indic script, you can read tags, menus and road signs but that is not speaking/listening skills but reading skills.

 

Some people are confused between the 4 skills of speaking/listening/writing/ reading . LOL

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A  German friend of mine spent twelve months learning Thai in Bangkok, quite intensively. The he moved to Isaan. Oops . 555. He had to relearn the local lingo and has done it very well.

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Said by one who can't read
 
Instead try to accept that folks have different opinions than you.
 
 
 


It is first necessary to distinguish between opinion and fact. And for extreme refinement, judgments.



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8 hours ago, mania said:

Said by one who can't read 😂

 

As I said before...if your YMCA method works well for you that is all that matters.

But don't try to tell folks who read/write Thai or went to Payap it is too hard or not useful.

 

Sounds like the sour grapes. Instead try to accept that folks have different opinions than you.

Where did you get the assumption that I can't read? 

 

Youshouldacceptfolksthathavedifferentopinionsthanyouinsteadthisishowindicscriptlooklike.Youcanreadthisbutitis100timesslower.

 

Like I said, you are confused between the 4 skills of reading, writing, speaking and listening. They are mutually exclusive.

 

A native speaker of any language can speak well but he might not know the written characters.

 

Reading is related to writing. Speaking is related to listening.

 

If you bothered to read that article (which you didn't obviously), Thai was written in Chinese characters before it was replaced by Indic characters.

 

If I were to replace the Indic characters with IPA phonetics today, it would still work and the spoken language would remain the same.

 

Vietnamese was written in Chinese characters in the past but it was replaced by latin script but the spoken language still remains the same.

 

Probably Payap didn't teach you all these but all they taught you  was those who know the written Indic characters are 'superior' ? 

 

So you should begin to read Chinese characters in order to understand spoken Thai because it was first written that way.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, mania said:

 

Good Luck to the OP & those that asked about Payap it is very good IMHO 😉

 

 

You have the right to your opinion but you should accept the opinions of others.

 

I have talked to one or two  ex-Payap students who went to other schools, they didn't say Payap teachers were good.

 

So just because you like Payap doesn't mean others have the same opinion.

 

Try to talk to other students in other Thai schools (eg. TSL, AUA etc) why they changed schools . I have listened to other opinions but you obviously didn't.

 

 

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I have, at different times, taken courses at both Payap (this year) and the YMCA (2013).

The Payap courses (8 of them, ascending levels) are very intensive (each is 4 x 3 hour lessons per week, for 5 weeks) but I personally found them better than YMCA. That is not to say that everyone will.

Both allow you to sit in on a lesson before you book. That is what I would suggest the OP does, before he chooses.

(By the way, the Payap courses are 8000 baht each)

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I’m doing book 1 reading and writing at TSL at the moment and am learning quite a lot. The teacher speaks very good English and is super friendly and helpful. I have done 2 others classes reading and writing at other schools a few years ago but not been able to pick it up yet (reading and writing, speaking is quite a bit better). My classes are 2 hrs on Monday, Wednesday and Friday for a month which suits me great. I feel like I can concentrate much better for two hours rather than three at other schools. Price 2500 includes course book.

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On 8/14/2019 at 8:29 AM, EricTh said:

IPA Phonetics is sufficient regardless of what some forummers here say that you must study written Thai in order to speak Thai well. LOL

IPA phonetics might be sufficient, but imho it's a waste of time to learn them (because they are not intuitive, especially for people who's mother tongue is english). IPA phonetics only make sense if you say: I never want to be able to read Thai.

If you ever want to be able to read Thai in the future, just learn it at the beginning.

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12 minutes ago, jackdd said:

IPA phonetics might be sufficient, but imho it's a waste of time to learn them (because they are not intuitive, especially for people who's mother tongue is english). IPA phonetics only make sense if you say: I never want to be able to read Thai.

If you ever want to be able to read Thai in the future, just learn it at the beginning.

Guess what. I know quite a few who have been staying in Thailand for many years (around 7 years) and they don't know any written Thai, they learnt spoken Thai by phonetics. They are doing fine in Thailand.

 

IPA is intuitive because there is only one character for one sound unlike the Indic Thai script which has several characters for the same sound. One character can have different sounds too depending on the combination.

 

So remembering low, mid, high consonants, long and short vowel etc just to find the tone is more intuitive than a tone marker? 

LOL

 

Oh wait, I forgot most learners just ignore the tones which is a huge mistake.

 

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I respect those who formally enroll in a university to study Thai, especially for reading & writing. However, I must say being able to speak Thai pretty decent, I found learning through small talk, dealing with taxis, being in school's and IMO the best source, is your significant other! I also have previously lived with Thai people everyday for two years. 

 

Speaking has been my goal, even before I came here, I practiced.  I should say, as I'm not that interested in learning to read and write. Much support and praise to those who are learning to do so also! Eye-opening and good for the spirit I'm sure!

 

So I guess my point is again, IMO, speaking with your significant other will be the fastest and most efficient way for speaking!

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