Trump adviser Bolton: U.S. would enthusiastically support a UK choice for no-deal Brexit

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, usviphotography said:

Trump supported Brexit before he was even elected President, so that theory simply doesn't hold water.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/05/donald-trump-brexit-uk-leaving-european-union

 

 

You are overlooking the fact Trump had killed off the EU trade deal before he was elected, in the same way he stuck his nose into brexit before he was elected.

 

Hopes of a transatlantic trade deal have been abandoned following Donald Trump’s election to the US presidency, a senior German official said on Tuesday.

Speaking as Barack Obama flew to Berlin for a meeting with Chancellor Angela Merkel, as part of his last foreign trip as president, the official declared the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) as good as dead, after three years of negotiations between the US and the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/15/germany-trump-ttip-trade-deal

[sandyf]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Especially with the US dictating UK polices and actions that increase the likelihood of the UK becoming embroiled in unnecessary US generated conflicts.

Exactly, only the naive would think that there would be a trade deal without any policy obligations, and those obligations will not do the UK any favours.

Before the ink is dry on brexit, the UK will be under pressure to distance itself from EU policy on Iran.

[Opl]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

it's very rare that countries make trade deals sector by sector, extremely rare and mainly happen only when one of the countries is desperate for a deal

Maybe it's an option to take into consideration  for bilateral agreements when signatures can be taken back conveniently - whatever the reason..     

[candide]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Exactly, only the naive would think that there would be a trade deal without any policy obligations, and those obligations will not do the UK any favours.

Before the ink is dry on brexit, the UK will be under pressure to distance itself from EU policy on Iran.

And when UK will start negotiating a trade deal with China, it will be caught between a rock and a hard place.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/2163159/britains-south-china-sea-provocation-puts-post-brexit-trade&ved=2ahUKEwix-tCf9YHkAhULy4UKHatNCCkQFjABegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1mT1A7Y5HYrX8cFvhxuitO&ampcf=1

[CharlieH]

reported post and response removed.

[bristolboy]

And for those thinking concluding trade deals post brexit is going to be a snap, consider these 2 headlines:

Japan and EU expected to sign trade deal after breakthrough in talks

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/06/japan-and-eu-expected-to-sign-trade-deal-after-breakthrough-in-talks

Brexit: Japan trade deal will not be ready by deadline

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47319533

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Funny, that's what the EU want to do.

Not at all, the U.K. has a direct say in EU taxation laws and treaties.

 

Though you are correct insomuch as the whole point of Brexit is to protect the UK’s hyper wealthy from the the Common Consolidated Tax Base and other EU anti tax evasion measures.

 

It is to be noted that taxes collected under the CCTB and other tax evasion measures are remitted to the member nations where the taxes are evaded, not to the EU.

 

Hence it is the hyper wealthy who provided the financial backing for Brexit.

 

Can’t be doing with paying taxes, that’s simply not on.

[friend of siam]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump has stated that any UK/US trade deal is contingent on the UK shelving changes to the tax laws that will require online US companies to pay taxes in the UK (at the point of delivery).

 

Essentially dictating to the UK what UK tax laws should be.

understand: america first UK somewhere down the line.....a logic to a country who has no industrial base anymore ...a weaker army...and a more weaker currency....only cash gamblers that will soon move to frankfurt....but an oversupply of islamic radicals...good luck...but boris is around for help, isnt he ?

[Chomper Higgot]

As I have explained, Bolton has no authority over US trade deals. 

 

Here is what somebody who does have authority is saying:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/14/no-chance-of-us-uk-deal-if-northern-ireland-peace-at-risk-pelosi

[Bluespunk]

Oops

 

Brexit: No chance of US trade deal if Irish accord hit - Pelosi https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49348062

 

 

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, candide said:

And when UK will start negotiating a trade deal with China, it will be caught between a rock and a hard place.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/2163159/britains-south-china-sea-provocation-puts-post-brexit-trade&ved=2ahUKEwix-tCf9YHkAhULy4UKHatNCCkQFjABegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1mT1A7Y5HYrX8cFvhxuitO&ampcf=1

Quite, and not just in that direction.

The UK is already in trouble with the EU over Chinese goods, if they go into trade negotiations with the Chinese it is highly likely they will run into more trouble with the EU.

Those that voted to leave did so under the impression it was all going to be very easy.

[nauseus]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not at all, the U.K. has a direct say in EU taxation laws and treaties.

 

Though you are correct insomuch as the whole point of Brexit is to protect the UK’s hyper wealthy from the the Common Consolidated Tax Base and other EU anti tax evasion measures.

 

It is to be noted that taxes collected under the CCTB and other tax evasion measures are remitted to the member nations where the taxes are evaded, not to the EU.

 

Hence it is the hyper wealthy who provided the financial backing for Brexit.

 

Can’t be doing with paying taxes, that’s simply not on.

As a member of the EU, the U.K's "say" can be overruled by QMV but it has to accept EU tax laws.

 

If you really think that Brexit was voted for by the hyper-wealthy, then why did the known "wealthy" areas of London and the SE vote remain? Such nonsense. 

[bristolboy]

I've noticed how far the conversation has drifted from Bolton's promise to support the UK for a trade deal with the USA. Maybe that's because of the uncomfortable fact (at least to Brexiters) that it's very unlikely to be enacted?

 

[Mavideol]

Boris Johnson has hit out at what he described as a “terrible collaboration” between MPs and the EU trying to block Brexit,...

 

It's not me it's them..... the easy way out

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

I've noticed how far the conversation has drifted from Bolton's promise to support the UK for a trade deal with the USA. Maybe that's because of the uncomfortable fact (at least to Brexiters) that it's very unlikely to be enacted?

 

Well that and the cold hard fact that Bolton has no authority over US trade agreements.

 

The idea that his visit to Johnson has anything to do with trade is bare faced hogwash.

[scorecard]

On 8/13/2019 at 5:23 AM, pegman said:

Yeah, so the Yanks could feast on the remains. 

How true and of course what comes with boltons aggressive and arrogant attitude is that the UK and the whole world should do as they are told by the US.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

As a member of the EU, the U.K's "say" can be overruled by QMV but it has to accept EU tax laws.

 

If you really think that Brexit was voted for by the hyper-wealthy, then why did the known "wealthy" areas of London and the SE vote remain? Such nonsense. 

Wrong:

 

The Special Legislative Procedure applies to taxation require unanimous support from the representatives of each member State in the European Commission.

 

There is proposal to move to QMV, but at present it remains a proposal and an example of where the UK can best represent the nation’s interests within the EU.

Norway, for example, has zero say over the proposal but will be subject to any changes, exactly the position the UK is most likely to put itself in saving cancelling of A50 or a no-Deal Brexit.

 

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/decision-making-eu-tax-policy_en

[Berkshire]

On 8/13/2019 at 5:21 PM, AlexRich said:

US enthusiastically supports screwing a desperate UK after a no deal Brexit, so is happy to encourage that outcome. 

55555....it could also be that Trump et al wants to see a UK that's even more screwed up than the USA is right now. 

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Wrong:

 

The Special Legislative Procedure applies to taxation require unanimous support from the representatives of each member State in the European Commission.

 

There is proposal to move to QMV, but at present it remains a proposal and an example of where the UK can best represent the nation’s interests within the EU.

Norway, for example, has zero say over the proposal but will be subject to any changes, exactly the position the UK is most likely to put itself in saving cancelling of A50 or a no-Deal Brexit.

 

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/taxation/decision-making-eu-tax-policy_en

I think you mean Council. But EU rules for minimum VAT rates mean that the UK already does not have a say in these.

 

  

[sandyf]

19 hours ago, scorecard said:

How true and of course what comes with boltons aggressive and arrogant attitude is that the UK and the whole world should do as they are told by the US.

Looks like he failed this time.

“Whatever geopolitical pressure might have been applied, the law is the law and there is no way round it,” Mr Picardo said. But he denied that Gibraltar was defying the US, arguing that the territory gave “respectful consideration” to the legal requests from both Tehran and Washington. “There was no absolutely no defiance of the US whatsoever.”

https://www.ft.com/content/4ec60932-bf37-11e9-89e2-41e555e96722

[bristolboy]

On 8/13/2019 at 1:18 PM, usviphotography said:

 Trump is an Anglophile. His mother instilled in him a deep love and affection for the Queen. Brits do not deserve it, but they are going to be offered a fair deal.  

Trump having a deep love and affection for anyone other than himself? It is to laugh.

[bristolboy]

On 8/13/2019 at 1:33 PM, usviphotography said:

You can hold a big joint press conference once the agreement is finalized that would lock in everyone's positions. Let Trump go on and on about the "big, beautiful deal" he just put together. That would commit him even if he were inclined to screw the British over, which as I already pointed out, he won't because he has an irrational soft spot for them.  

You don't seem to get it. Trump doesn't get to unilaterally sign a trade agreement with the UK into law. There's the little matter of Congress to take into account.

[bristolboy]

On 8/13/2019 at 2:21 PM, Jip99 said:

 

 

You can't see good in anything can you ?

 

I am sure both parties will be satisfied with the outcome.

Pollyanna much? And that's making the very dubious assumption that there will be a trade deal.

[bristolboy]

On 8/13/2019 at 2:46 PM, usviphotography said:

Nothing prevents the UK from negotiating a deal conditional to a final Brexit prior to an actual Brexit taking place, and holding a press conference with the Donald trumpeting the fact. It is the smart thing to do even and especially if you don't want an actual Brexit because it gives the UK maximum leverage over the EU to force a better deal. 

From the department of wishful thinking.

[Jip99]

35 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Pollyanna much? And that's making the very dubious assumption that there will be a trade deal.

 

 

Of course there will..... you know it makes sense.

 

But carry on with your negativity, we are impervious to it now.

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Of course there will..... you know it makes sense.

 

But carry on with your negativity, we are impervious to it now.

As usual a fact-free reply that tries to make the issue personal. You've got nothing.

 

 

[Jip99]

32 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

As usual a fact-free reply that tries to make the issue personal. You've got nothing.

 

 

 

 

Well, that's at least 100% more than you can offer.

 

I never attack the poster........ just the crap they write.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

14 hours ago, nauseus said:

I think you mean Council. But EU rules for minimum VAT rates mean that the UK already does not have a say in these.

 

  

The standard minimum VAT rate set by the EU is 15%, each member nation can have up to 2 reduced rates for goods/services agreed with the EU. 

 

The UK standard rate is set by the UK at 20% a full 5% points above the EU minimum.

 

Be assured the billionaires, multimillionaires and hedge fund managers who funded the Brexit Leave Campaign(s) are not at all concerned about VAT.

 

If Johnson and his Brexit Cabinet want to address VAT they can reduce it to 15% any time they wish. There are absolutely no EU rule or regulation preventing them doing so.

[bristolboy]

12 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Well, that's at least 100% more than you can offer.

 

I never attack the poster........ just the crap they write.

 

 

You just accused me negativity and aren't attacking the poster?

"But carry on with your negativity, we are impervious to it now."

 

You offer no facts to refute the clear evidence that the Speaker of the House of Representatives is adamantly opposed to passing a trade agreement unless the GFA is protected. All you did was characterize it as "crap". Why is it crap? Maybe in your mind name calling qualifies as some kind of legitimate refutation? You've got nothing.

[Jip99]

41 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You just accused me negativity and aren't attacking the poster?

"But carry on with your negativity, we are impervious to it now."

 

You offer no facts to refute the clear evidence that the Speaker of the House of Representatives is adamantly opposed to passing a trade agreement unless the GFA is protected. All you did was characterize it as "crap". Why is it crap? Maybe in your mind name calling qualifies as some kind of legitimate refutation? You've got nothing.

 

 

Feel free to use the report and/or ignore buttons if you are offended.

 

 

You have no idea whether there will be a trade deal with the USA or not, nor do I.  I can quote Trump vs your Speaker.... time will tell but my money is on a deal. Please don't bother to try and pass off the comments of a USA politician as gospel, or evidence that something is not going to happen.