sambum 3,835 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 3:43 PM, gunderhill said: so you had to report in London did you? I wonder how Thai visitors to the UK would feel about being subjected to the same requirements? As far as I know, once a Thai enters the country on their (Max 6 months?) visa they do not have to report their whereabouts at ANY time, regardless of where they are spending that time - either in one place, or spending a few days/weeks in different locations. They have been "vetted" and accepted and as far as I can see the security risk excuse by the Thai Government/Immigration is exactly that - an excuse for not admitting that their security systems have let criminals/undesirables into the country in the first place! As another poster puts it - it would be interesting to find out how many "criminals" have been caught as a result of this compulsory "TM 30" reporting? I would suspect that no real criminals would even know what a "TM 30" form is - and I am not referring to overstayers, or people without enough funds in a Thai bank to qualify for a yearly extension! Link to post Share on other sites
CMNightRider 3,766 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 9 hours ago, sambum said: I wonder how Thai visitors to the UK would feel about being subjected to the same requirements? As far as I know, once a Thai enters the country on their (Max 6 months?) visa they do not have to report their whereabouts at ANY time, regardless of where they are spending that time - either in one place, or spending a few days/weeks in different locations. They have been "vetted" and accepted and as far as I can see the security risk excuse by the Thai Government/Immigration is exactly that - an excuse for not admitting that their security systems have let criminals/undesirables into the country in the first place! As another poster puts it - it would be interesting to find out how many "criminals" have been caught as a result of this compulsory "TM 30" reporting? I would suspect that no real criminals would even know what a "TM 30" form is - and I am not referring to overstayers, or people without enough funds in a Thai bank to qualify for a yearly extension! It's the same in the US. My wife has a ten year tourist visa for the US. When she visits the US, she is not required to show any funds in an American bank, no 90 day reporting requirements, or idoitic TM forms to report her movements. This is a ten year visa that doesn't require being renewed every year. Thai spouses of Americans are treated the same as US citizens while visiting the US. This is a far cry from the way Americans are treated in Thailand who are married to Thais. Thai Immigration leaders should wake up and stop trying to act like this is North Korea. Personally, I would like to see western countries start treating Thais like the Thais treat westerners. God Bless the people who started and support this TM30 petition. Are you listening Thai Immigration? Link to post Share on other sites
ThomasThBKK 4,866 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 58 minutes ago, CMNightRider said: It's the same in the US. My wife has a ten year tourist visa for the US. When she visits the US, she is not required to show any funds in an American bank, no 90 day reporting requirements, or idoitic TM forms to report her movements. This is a ten year visa that doesn't require being renewed every year. Thai spouses of Americans are treated the same as US citizens while visiting the US. This is a far cry from the way Americans are treated in Thailand who are married to Thais. Thai Immigration leaders should wake up and stop trying to act like this is North Korea. Personally, I would like to see western countries start treating Thais like the Thais treat westerners. God Bless the people who started and support this TM30 petition. Are you listening Thai Immigration? My gf has a 10 year H1B visa too, tho i am not american citizen. Safe to say they treat every tourist/person good after the initial visa is issued, they already checked you - if you weren't ok in their books they wouldn't have issued you the visa. Link to post Share on other sites
SCOTT FITZGERSLD 1,294 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 whaaat? must report to mummy every time i travel for more than 24 hours? HHHAHAHAAA go stick it up your you know what. just travel and be happy. As more than one thai people explained to me, all laws in thailand are merely reccomendations and breaking them can be forgiven with the right amount of you know what. Link to post Share on other sites
SCOTT FITZGERSLD 1,294 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 check out the immigaration ad - foreigners are still reffered to as "ALIENS"... Japan allready changed this weird word all over it's airports. when Thailand will grow up? Link to post Share on other sites
nrasmussen 191 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 check out the immigaration ad - foreigners are still reffered to as "ALIENS"... Japan allready changed this weird word all over it's airports. when Thailand will grow up?"Alien" is a legal term for foreigner. Perhaps a bit outdated, but I don't see why it should not be used in an immigration context. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaiBunny 3,539 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, nrasmussen said: 1 hour ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said: check out the immigaration ad - foreigners are still reffered to as "ALIENS"... Japan allready changed this weird word all over it's airports. when Thailand will grow up? "Alien" is a legal term for foreigner. Perhaps a bit outdated, but I don't see why it should not be used in an immigration context. The US uses alien as well and for the same purposes Link to post Share on other sites
Sumarianson 641 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 1:51 AM, sambum said: I wonder how Thai visitors to the UK would feel about being subjected to the same requirements? As far as I know, once a Thai enters the country on their (Max 6 months?) visa they do not have to report their whereabouts at ANY time, regardless of where they are spending that time - either in one place, or spending a few days/weeks in different locations. They have been "vetted" and accepted and as far as I can see the security risk excuse by the Thai Government/Immigration is exactly that - an excuse for not admitting that their security systems have let criminals/undesirables into the country in the first place! As another poster puts it - it would be interesting to find out how many "criminals" have been caught as a result of this compulsory "TM 30" reporting? I would suspect that no real criminals would even know what a "TM 30" form is - and I am not referring to overstayers, or people without enough funds in a Thai bank to qualify for a yearly extension! My partner and I went to London and Ireland (Rep.) on the same UK visa and never had to do any reporting of any kind. This in a country that was attacked by terrorists. There is a fine line between the duty to protect people and allow them their civil rights and their right to freedom. Link to post Share on other sites
Sumarianson 641 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 8/14/2019 at 3:14 PM, Joe Mcseismic said: If this thread was only for people that thought the TM30 policy was bad, then it would be just an echo chamber. What would there be to discuss? Sounds boring, but, what would I know, I don't have a life (note to self.......got to get out more). Stating that I don't have a problem with it is celebrating? Not according to my dictionary. Your last statement is just a cop out, which shows that you are not really interested in opposing views, just people to reinforce your own limited view. There are enough laws and restrictions in this world without making laws that are unworkable, unfair and have no useful purpose. While you may not have a problem with it it would be nice of you to accept that others are having problems with it. A case in point; A good friend of mine had to leave the country to extend his education visa. On return to his same address he reported to his landlord that he had left the country and that a TM30 had to be completed by him within 24 hours. The landlord told him he was too much trouble and asked him to leave. He went to Changwattana and had to pay 800฿ fine. Plus he had to travel by taxi over and back 3 times at a cost of 3000 Baht. Now is that fair? The government are implimenting a regulation that Thai people will not comply with but it is the honest visa holder who is fined and inconvenienced. I have had that same problem several years ago when I was renting when the landlord would not produce his ID or address for immigration. It is not fair and not logical. All laws and regulations should have logic attached to them. While I personally have had no problems recently, it is an extra unnessary, (costly in many cases) laborious chore. Link to post Share on other sites
My 2 cents 13 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 3:07 PM, webfact said: In the meantime, the inconvenience of Section 37 will remain a clear and present annoyance. I am a little confused... 1: What does section 37 has to do with TM30 ? 2: as per this sign: it is intended for immigrants ? so not for Non-immigrants and tourists ? Link to post Share on other sites
garyk 1,657 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 5:39 AM, taninthai said: Guy must be working 7 days a week if he travelling that much ,don’t sound like much of a life .......you get 48 hours to report would imagine his passport would be full with stamps by the end off the month too Not really believable is it. I run into guys like you all the time in Thailand, riding their bikes or motorbikes and never really travel much. Personally it would bore me to tears. But, different strokes. I have a hobby where I didn't even have a home in Thailand for 5 years. Moving around and living in guest houses, mostly renting a room or apt for a month at a time. For me a great life. But when they started enforcing the TM-30. It became hell for me.. GH's refusing to rent to me. Or charging me extra fees. Bottom line is not everyone lives the type of life you live. And surely not what I would call a life what so ever, for me! For you yes.. So spare us all the nonsense please. I finally left Thailand because of all the hassles of moving around. In the end I would have to locate an immigration office and take a day or two out of my schedule to deal with all the nonsense. Then deal with the guest house or apt. owners. What a bunch of paranoid nonsense IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites
Artisi 15,747 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, My 2 cents said: I am a little confused... 1: What does section 37 has to do with TM30 ? 2: as per this sign: it is intended for immigrants ? so not for Non-immigrants and tourists ? As per. .. permitted to take temporary residence..... Etc. Link to post Share on other sites
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