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Just now, Leaver said:

Thanks for your example.

 

Not that I went there much, but there was a thread about The Pig and Whistle, also.

 

Will we be seeing more closures in the near future?

Yeah.  Will be more closures.   The costs and prices really are getting high.  I noticed several places of course charge more than they did when I first came in 2004.  That is OK and expected.  But they are definitely going down on quality or portions are much smaller.  I don't mind the smaller portions, I don't burn as many calories as when I was younger.  Things just are not a bargain like they used to be, not even talking about the exchange rates being like 31 versus 43 Baht to the USD when I first came.

 

  All those little bars in the bar complexes... How in the world can they make money?  What does a foreigner sucker pay out to run one of those?  How can one keep girls working there?  Remember Christmas time and how many girls wore red?  Didn't see that on my last Christmas time there either.  Didn't see the big Christmas decorations and lights on the outside of the Garden's mall either.

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9 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

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5 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Thanks for your example.

 

Not that I went there much, but there was a thread about The Pig and Whistle, also.

 

Will we be seeing more closures in the near future?

Funny you mention the Pig and Whistle.  My Buddy was really good friends with Graham, the big guy that used to run the place in Pattaya.  When our trips overlapped I spent a lot of time in the Pig and Whistle.  That was my first Full English Breakfast.  This year I went over to the Pig for breakfast at 0800 and found out they don't open for breakfast until 0830.  I don't remember if they always opened at that time, but it seemed kind of late to me.

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2 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

Yeah.  Will be more closures.   The costs and prices really are getting high.  I noticed several places of course charge more than they did when I first came in 2004.  That is OK and expected.  But they are definitely going down on quality or portions are much smaller.  I don't mind the smaller portions, I don't burn as many calories as when I was younger.  Things just are not a bargain like they used to be, not even talking about the exchange rates being like 31 versus 43 Baht to the USD when I first came.

 

  All those little bars in the bar complexes... How in the world can they make money?  What does a foreigner sucker pay out to run one of those?  How can one keep girls working there?  Remember Christmas time and how many girls wore red?  Didn't see that on my last Christmas time there either.  Didn't see the big Christmas decorations and lights on the outside of the Garden's mall either.

Where do you lay blame, the Thai landlords, with unrealistic rents?

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4 minutes ago, Leaver said:

No agenda.

 

One favorite place of mine has been very quiet lately, and I mean, very quiet.  Actually, has been for some time, despite no change in prices or quality of service.

 

This is a well established, around 15 years, or more, bar restaurant, with legitimate staff. 

 

It has always had repeat tourist clientele, as well as constant expat support. 

 

It's not a small establishment, and is in a good location, so rent must be huge. 

 

The boss is a good businessman, and good communicator, not a drunken pimp. 

 

If business continues as it has been, through no fault of his, I can't see it being sustainable, and it will close. 

 

 

It always makes me sad when this happens - but its a global thing. Very big UK retailers are begging landlords to renegotiate rents to cover the dips and they have multi billion pound turnovers. No-one is immune if you don't cater for potential dips.

 

Perhaps the boss there can do the same, if not then the landlord is cutting his nose off to spite his face. I know of a very successful bar owner, family, in Bangkok, she hordes money like crazy in the good times to weather any storms. 

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1 minute ago, Handsome Gardener said:

It always makes me sad when this happens - but its a global thing.

Sure, but what does that mean for us here?

 

Will there only be a few big establishments in the future where we all must go?  Same as certain retailers back in our home countries.

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3 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Where do you lay blame, the Thai landlords, with unrealistic rents?

I blame it on market saturation.  Same as having two 7-11s right next to two Family Marts and all within 50 feet of each other.  Thais are often not very original and copy cat a lot, to the point where nobody makes big money.  It is kind of their market strategy.  Go to store after store after store after store and see the same brands of shoes, dresses, etc. 

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1 minute ago, Leaver said:

Sure, but what does that mean for us here?

 

Will there only be a few big establishments in the future where we all must go?  Same as certain retailers back in our home countries.

Sadly more and more big. Gosh I so miss the smaller flavor of Pattaya not that long ago.   I don't need nor want too many big malls.  While some western look alike malls are OK, I got plenty of malls here in the States.  I don't go to Thailand or Pattaya or Karon Beach for a western mall!   Just this last week the movie choices in Pattaya were the same in three places because SF/X was in each (Terminal 21, Central, Big C )   

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1 minute ago, gk10002000 said:

I blame it on market saturation.

So, do you think it's a perfect storm for a market correction?  If so, once again, what do you think that means for us here?

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1 minute ago, gk10002000 said:

Sadly more and more big. Gosh I so miss the smaller flavor of Pattaya not that long ago.   I don't need nor want too many big malls.  While some western look alike malls are OK, I got plenty of malls here in the States.  I don't go to Thailand or Pattaya or Karon Beach for a western mall!   Just this last week the movie choices in Pattaya were the same in three places because SF/X was in each (Terminal 21, Central, Big C )   

The food hall in Terminal 21 is rammed.  Sad, really. 

 

I don't eat McDonalds.  Haven't been in one for years.  Has anyone been into a McDonalds in Pattaya recently?  Was it busy?  I would think McDonalds may be an indication of things here.

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33 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

I just came back from 3 weeks in Thailand.  The Domicile Austrian restaurant has closed on second road in Pattaya and a smaller version of itself is next to it.  The Thai fellow that spoke German now works at the Brauhaus next door.  The wiener schnitzel at the Domicile used be great with fried potatoes and salat.  Things change.

 

PapaGayos was literally empty at all hours.  That place used to rock and be a great place for late night stop ins

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